You forgot about the Hitachi Blu-Ray camcorders that are coming out this October. They have a 5.3 MP CMOS sensor and it records to 1920x1080 using h.264. Technically it should give you a higher detailed image than the Canon HG10, but then again even if the picture quality is better, I don’t think Hitachi’s implementation of h.264 will be as easy to edit as AVCHD. We’ll just have to wait until it comes out.
http://dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.ph...196#post722196

It’s funny how right when Hitachi decides to announce their new camcorders, Panasonic and Canon immediately announces their own just to take some media attention off them. Not saying that I wouldn’t do the same thing.

Now all we need is to have one of these companies release a semi Prosumer model just like the GS400. Perhaps there saving the best for last.

I can not afford to download the original source file, but the performances of the different codecs are suspiciously high. What is the footage like, how complex is the detail, the movement, and the noise, how plain are surfaces?

Also, how much grain does it have? I understand that Mpeg2 had problems with that.

Gizmodo's take on the HG10, with pics:

http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/hd-camcor...der-284706.php

For anybody who was curious about how to focus manually with the HG10, it's managed via the large round selector dial and joystick located on the flip-out LCD viewfinder bezel. Should have more info about that shortly,

On the HV20 I have a hard time (not horrible, but could be better) actually using the manual focus because the LCD in it's open position interferes with the manual/auto focus toggle button. Also I find it a little difficult to get to the focus dial when the LCD is open. I think if that ring dial on the LCD is smooth and offers enough adjustability it'd be the preferred location, at least for me, not sure what others' thoughts are.

Also I never use MF without the focus assist function and on the HV20 the focus assist button is on the LCD so it's strange to hit that on the LCD, and then go to the focus dial, if this was handled in a closer proximity then it would be more convenient.

If the camera would only record 24p files instead of 60i files... sigh.

Focus Issue
 

Wes:

As fars as HV20, the focus assist wheels some of us have been rigging seem to work pretty well. I m shooting with 35mm adapter most of time, so it isn't big issue with me, but manual focus can be handle pretty nicely with a fairly inexpensive mod to the HV20.

This new set up on the HG10 looks like that will be out the door....

Chris, good point. A focus wheel attachment is on my to-do list. Your point about making the same type of device for the HG10 is a good one, though I bet it could still be done somehow.

1920x1080
 

Looking at the Canon Mini site for this camera, it now says "Canon Exclusive 1920x1080 " so is this 1440x1080 or 1920x1080 ? It seems to be confusing at this point.

http://www.usa.canon.com/consumer/co...&modelid=15617

No confusion -- see http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showpost....7&postcount=26

1920 x 1080 is the native resolution of the CMOS sensor. It's recorded as 1440 x 1080 anamorphic.

Native resolution of CIS (cmos image sensor) is more than 1920x1080.
Possible its 2048x1440. Look at max res. in photo mode to know real resolution of CIS. For video mode used only ROI 1920x1080.

Type 1/2.7" CMOS
Total pixels 2.96 megapixel
Effective pixels
HD MOVIE: Approx 2.07 megapixels
STILLS: 2.76 megapixels

focus assist
 

focus assist engages automatically when you flip into manual focus (when not recording) and spin the wheel, but from what Chris and I could tell there is no peaking, only magnification...

Could I assume that this new camcorder will be able to use everything (lenses, shoe accessories, batteries) that the HV20 can?

Yes to all of the above. Hope this helps,

ive noticed that the HG10 has HDMI out

is it possible to bypas compression and record to a laptop using a better compression method?

as you can do with the HV20

i would prefer this over the HV20, but only if you can do that

You would need some card for the laptop

The only HDMI card I know of is the Intensity and that is a PCI card.

yea im aware of the blackmagic card

so witht hat ill be able to record direct to disk right?

might get this instead of the HV20

For laptop need ExpressCard with HDMI input - not exist today in market.
Magma Express Box is only solution to connect Intensity and laptop.

i wont be using a laptop, i built a PC specifically for on location recording

so if this cam can do that, n has the features on the HV20 ill get, looks much better aswell

Missing LANC
 

While it doesn't make up for the lack of a LANC the HV10 and HV20 do have a wireless remote that ships with them. The HV10 has a rear mounted sensor so that you can signal from behind the camera. The HV20 has a front mounted sensor. It would have been nice to have front and back.

With CMOS there's no need for three chips. Canon's full frame CMOS DSLRs have phenomenal image quality and no CA issues. One chip means better images, less power draw, no CA issues, and cheaper/better glass.

The dream is a Canon 1920x1080 CMOS chip in full 35mm size with an EOS EF mount writing to CF/SD/Expresscard slots or firewire with an selectable 25/50/100Mbps codec.

I have been wondering if Canon is holding out till they can release an video codec chip based on the new Jpeg standard, that is said to be equivalent to Jpeg2000 (which would be similar to H264 Intra) but is an enhancement to existing Jpeg. If they switched to any of these new codecs it would be an great improvement at 100mb/s. I would love an noise free, high latitude, sensitive, 50p Canon 35mm or TX2 at 100mb/s.

I guess there is as much chance of Panasonic Lumix doing this than Canon.