24p to psp and iphone?
 

Hi,
I have a HV20, and was wondering what programs I needed to get from the 24p recorded footage to the native res of a psp and iphone?

The PSP has a native res of 480x272. I've read online that the latest firmware(s) finally allow native res playback of video... but the video has to be a certain format (avc/h264)? So I'd need a program or programs that will pulldown the 24p from the HV20, and then resize to 480x272. Also, will the PSP play a 24fps video, or do I have to adjust the framerate?

The iphone has a native res of 480x320. Does it play 24fps video? What format should the video be, H264 .mov? I'd need a program or programs that will pulldown the 24p from the HV20, and then resize AND CROP to 480x320. It would have to crop the video, since the iphone isn't 16x9... otherwise everyone would look tall and skinny (good thing I guess :) )

Thanks for any suggestions,
Bob C

I use Sony Vegas 7 and it has an output template for PSP and works well. Their scaled down version of Vegas (Movie Studio - or whatever it's called) may also have the PSP output template. It makes sense that they've included the template since they make the PSP. The editing sotware will allow you to crop the video (if you feel you have to) or just resize it to fit within the frame size you determine.

the new CS3 versions of Adobe Premier also have this funtion....

I took a downloaded HD video off of a PS3 via memory stick and input it
to my PC and down converted it to play on the Apple IPOD and it worked
perfect....

can't tell you about the Iphone, mine will be here this coming Monday...

as to the HV20... Cineform to capture and convert the 24p... into
Premier Pro for edit, output via Premier Pro for the size of the Apple products.

I have written some tutorials on how to do both, using freeware tools:
For pulldown removal:
http://eugenia.gnomefiles.org/2007/0...-24p-pulldown/
For exporting your HDV footage to various resolutions and devices (including ipod/iphone/psp), using my templates:
http://eugenia.gnomefiles.org/2007/0...box360appletv/

Wonderful! Thanks everyone! Hope these programs can be purchased/downloaded online :) I want to tinker tonight.
Thanks,
Bob C

Give me a howler via IM or email if you need step by step guidance on my tutorials, I will be glad to help out.

sure. Right now the only question I have is if the psp and iPhone will play 24fps, or if it has to be 30?
btw, I sent this from my iPhone.
Bob C

Yes, they will play them fine. All non-TV devices can do that.

I used the vegas template but my psp wont recognise the video :(

I have done a lot of testing and I really like Apple's default iPhone preset in the latest QuickTime. I use QuickTime player to encode.

What I do is make sure I have the highest quality possible going into QuickTime, but make sure it's a 16:9 aspect ratio and not the native 1440x1080 of HDV. I usually use 960x540, the iPhone preset will nicely export that to 480x270 at under 1000 kb/s for video+audio and the quality is very good. This video will work on iPhones and iPods with video and actually looks quite good on a TV.

Not sure if the iPhone preset works on PSP's though. Does the PSP do H.264 or just plain MPEG4?

>I used the vegas template but my psp wont recognise the video :(

Do you mean that you used Vegas own template, or my template from my tutorial. Because mine does work...

Frank,
make sure:
1. You have a folder called "VIDEO" on the root of your PSP. If not, create it.
2. Make sure you have upgraded to the latest firmware. There are major differences in video support on different versions of the firmware.
3. Put the .mp4 video in that VIDEO folder and the PSP should recognize it.

>Not sure if the iPhone preset works on PSP's though. Does the PSP do H.264 or just plain MPEG4?

It does both, but it's EXTREMELY picky. Use my ffmpeg iphone+psp.bat template to create a video that works both with the PSP, the iPhone and the iPods.

Hi,
I'm new to all this so here's my newbie observations so far (sorry for going a little OT)
I took my HV20 down to my brothers house; he has an amazing G5 setup. We captured a 'HDV24p' clip from the HV20 using imovie08 that converted it to apple intermediate codec 1920x1080.

We then used JES DEINTERLACER to inverse telecine the footage. The result was a 23.98fps 1920x1080 apple intermediate codec video. My brother thought it looked a little softer. To me, the panning was much more fluid; less of the 'strobe' effect of the original footage.

We then used the imovie template to make a iphone video of it, and it turned out great.

Now I'm back home and I'm going to tackle the XP method.

Thanks,
Bob C

Hi Eugenia,
I used your iphone/psp 24fps template. It worked great, but it said "width or height not divisible by 16...." error, but it encoded fine.

I noticed the Sony vegas 8b platinum demo wouldn't allow me to save the lossless avi in 1920x1080; something about being limited to 1440x1080. Is this a limitation of the program? Does it matter? Prolly not since all HDV is limited to 1440?

Thanks,
Bob C

>but it said "width or height not divisible by 16...." error,

That's fine. The resolution on the template is fine: 270x4=1080. You could edit the .bat file and tell the resolution to be at 480x272 instead (so it divides by 16), but then 272x4=1088 and this would mean bad original resizing. So basically I had to select between worse final encoding (270), or worse resizing that would create a worse final encoding (272). None of the two solutions is ideal, but I chose the former. Don't worry though, you can't see the "worse" encoding with naked eye.

>allow me to save the lossless avi in 1920x1080

VMS won't support anything above 1440x1080 because the consumer HDV standard goes only up to that resolution (although this will change with AVCHD soon). It doesn't matter though, because when you save in 1440x1080 and then you use my 1080p and all my other FFMPEG templates, it will resize properly to 1920x1080 and other true 16:9 resolutions.

Ah just realsied that I encoded the mp4 using Vegas' template which is at the native resolution of the PSP's screen bu the PSP wont allow playback at the resoluiton from the mem card - how ridiculous!!!

Odd, because I've never had any problems with the template. I just use it with it's default settings and my PSP has no issues playing back the created file. I've also got a 4GB Lexar Memory Stick PRODuo (MagicGate) card, if that's makes any difference.

Hi Nathan - can you just confirm what setting the template has that you used - what resolutio etc
Where on the mem stick are you placing the mp4?
What firmware psp do you have?

cheers

On my memory stick, the .mp4 videos I create are in a folder called VIDEO. There are 5 main folders total on the mem stick:

MP_ROOT
MUSIC
PICTURE
PSP
VIDEO

I'm currently on the newest firmware for the PSP, v3.52 (and the previous version of firmware worked with the videos as well). I just updated the PSP a couple days ago and the videos all still playback under v3.52

Under Vegas 7e, you choose:
Sony AVC/AAC (*.mp4)

Then choose the default template:
PSP Full Screen - 896Kbps

The default template settings are:
Audio: 128Kbps, 48,000Hz, AAC
Video: 768Kbps, 29.970fps, 480x272

Nathan, please try my method. I promise it won't take you more than 5 minutes to set it up. See if will work better for you.

Since 3.3, the PSP is now able to play H.264 videos up to 720X480. Strangely, it doesn’t play 640X480
http://www.us.playstation.com/psp/do...html#update340

It may not be much of a help in this thread but I though I point it out.

Oh right - thanks for the info

Im running an old modded firmware with devhood and no idea how to upgrade and still have it modded so Ill leave it
thanks anyway.

Ah yeah, as I wrote earlier, you MUST have the latest firmware. Sony made huge improvements on their AVC support, so running old modded firmwares is not a good idea if you want video...

I feel like this belongs in a different forum/thread, but here it goes:

I'd like to be able to test out the max bitrates the psp and iphone can accept. What program (hopefully free or trial) will let me render custom avc or mp4 clips? Seems vegas 8 platinum only has non-customizable templates for ipod (not iphone) and psp.
Bob C

As I write on my tutorial on my blog, just change the -b and the -bt values on my templates (edit them with a text editor). This will allow you to test whatever values you want.

However, I must say that for the PSP/iPhone resolution videos, you do not need more than 1 MBPS. Your eyes will not be able to see any difference above that at that screen size, and so it would be a waste of your time...

Hi,
your template worked great on the PS3... but I tried putting the vid onto my iphone with itunes, and itunes said it can't because it's a format the iphone can't play. Itunes converted it so the iphone can play it.

It retained the 480x270, size, but the file size went up... a 3 meg file is now a 5 meg file.

I can post both on my website in a couple hours... maybe you can figure out what itunes does to the video.
Thanks,
Bob C

Are you using the default values in the iphone-psp.bat?

If yes, then I guess that the iphone can't deal with the profile ffmpeg uses by default. Unfortunately, there is no way to change the profile via a switch and have the same video work on both the ipod/iphone and the psp -- or so it seems. :(

I have a PSP to test stuff, but not an iPhone.

BTW, please edit the psp-iphone template and make the "-coder 1" to "-coder vlc"

Check if that works now with the iPhone.

ok, I think we have a solution, courtesy of Rob Swain:

To be imported into iTunes, files above 320x240 need to have that special UUID atom. AtomicParsley can add the atom using the following command:

AtomicParsley.exe "output.mp4" --DeepScan --iPod-uuid 1200 --overWrite

...there are Windows binaries available from http://atomicparsley.sourceforge.net/ but you need to compile the development source code. Alternatively you can use NicMP4Box from http://nic.dnsalias.com/ .

Please try to insert the UUID atom bit on your existing encoded file that worked on the PSP, and see if that works.

Bob, try this "fixed" file and see if it works with your iPhone:
http://www.gnomefiles.org/files/vegas/test2.mp4
Please email me on eloli AT hotmail.com to continue testing stuff, so we don't have to do it in this forum. Thanks.

OMG Eugenia, thank you for those template batch files!!!!

I gave up several times trying to figure out FFMPEG options. Every try the encode came out awefull.

Trying yours now...

Cool. Since the last comment here, Bob and I worked together to provide better h.264 compatibility and the new templates should work fine. IM me, email me or simply reply here if you need help.

Oh WOW! These settings look AMAZING!!!

Wow, how did you figure these out? I looked for hours but couldn't find any descent docs about FFMPEG. Plus, each version the settings change a bit :|

>how did you figure these out? I looked for hours

I think I put a few more hours in it and I lost half of my hair in the process of trying to find a workflow that works the way I want it to... :D
You can read my frustrations prior to the final tutorial here:
http://eugenia.gnomefiles.org/2007/0...blu-ray-drive/
http://eugenia.gnomefiles.org/2007/0...ftware-part-4/
http://eugenia.gnomefiles.org/2007/0...60-adventures/

Ditto, they are great. Thanks to Eugenia for this workflow and templates!
Bob C