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Originally Posted by Zack Andrews (Post 804183)

These new cams look great - except for the lack of a slow motion setting. Did I miss this in the fine print?

Shoot 60i, convert to 60p in post. Makes for really nice slow motion.

Some press releases, nothing new...

http://www.usa.canon.com/templatedat...107_hidef.html

http://www.usa.canon.com/templatedat...tandardef.html

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Originally Posted by Chris Barcellos (Post 804174)

Have you actually seen one of these yet?

Not yet, but one week from today I will. The only people outside of Canon that can see these camcorders today are those folks attending CES in Las Vegas who drop by Canon's booth... and that ain't me (not at CES).

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1. Mic input: Standard Mini Jack ?

Yes. standard 1/8th-inch stereo mini jack.

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2. Is there a separate Head phone monitoring capability not tied to the AV jack and menu switching as required by HV20 ?

No. Like the HV20, it's the yellow A/V jack which doubles as a headphone jack.

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3. Auto Focus: IAF and Standard ?

Yes to both.

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4. How is manual focus achieved.

Don't know for sure but probably via the joystick.

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5. AVCHD: I will check this out at Cineform thread, but have we gotten pulldown and conversion lined out in Cineform yet.

That's a CineForm question.

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Originally Posted by Ocean Zen

It says the HF10s lens filter size is 37mm where as the hv20/30 is 43mm. Does this mean it uses a smaller lens? Would this degrade quality at all?

The image sensor in the HF10 is physically smaller than the HV20/30, therefore the diameter of the lens is also smaller, and no this does not noticeably affect quality.

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Originally Posted by Zack Andrews

slow motion setting... Did I miss this in the fine print?

If it was in there, surely they'd be making a big deal out of it, so no I don't think you missed anything. It's just not one of their features.

Thanks for answering all my questions Chris DVI is proving to be a great site :)

Thanks Chris. Will look forward to your review when you actually get hands on.

What are current editing options for this camera....

Editing options are anything that can handle AVCHD.

I think we have some extensive discussions about that in our AVCHD forum.

Anyone want to start an HF10 vs. HV20/30 thread? :)

Shall I whip up a comparo chart, a la http://www.hdvinfo.net/articles/cano...rehv10hv20.php ...?

How about just adding the HV30 to that one? And then making another one for the Canon AVCHD camcorders.

Since the differences between the HV20 and HV30 can be summed up in one paragraph and a photo, I'll probably just update the page to include the HV30 changes at the bottom.

Is AVCHD essentially the same as AVC (h.264)?

It is good to see that the data rates are increasing, but they are still well below what HD movies are encoded at. 25mb/sec and up, even for AVC or VC1 encodes.

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Originally Posted by David Moody (Post 804331)

This is the gripe I have with AVCHD - The standard dictates that manufacturers COULD go up to 24mbps but they rarely go past 15 or in this case 17mbps

HDV meanwhile might be seen as an older and perhaps inferior codec but it does record at 25mbps

They have HDMI via a mini-HDMI connector. Manual focus, 24p, 30p, and Cinema gamma settings just like the HV20. Canon continues to impress.

But will the image quality be improved in these new AVCHD models or be the same as the HG10?
Currently the HG10 is a step behind the HV20 because of the AVCHD compression- wonder if any improvements have been made with these 2nd gen cameras?
The HG10 is very good but not as good (sharp & motion handling) as the HV20.

No way to really know that until you can get 'em side by side.

Can't determine this from numbers or specs; it's all in the image and these aren't shipping yet.