FCP project back to HV20
 

Hello All
I keep trying to output a HDV project from FCP back to the HV20 and I am not able to. It's really messing with my brain. I choose print to video in FCP and then it does it's conforming video process which goes fine. I put the camera in record and then it stops saying to check my HDV/DV input. I'm not sure what exactly I'm supposed to check.
One thing I saw on a training DVD is that the menue selection Av-Dv (in REC/IN SETUP Menue) needs to be turned off but this selection is always faded out in my menue. Any info on this would be very helpful.
Thanks much, Aldo

I have the same problem.
The AV-DV is probably greyed out because you have firewire cable connected. Unplugg it and it should be ok. That said, I have it to off and still no luck.
Anyone?

I have the same problem.
The AV-DV is probably greyed out because you have firewire cable connected. Unplugg it and it should be ok. That said, I have it to off and still no luck.
Anyone?

The Av-Dv was greyed out because the HD/DV output needs to be set to automatic. That being said i still can't get and HDV project back to camera.
Has anyone had success with this?
Thanks, Aldo

From what I can understand from playing with the settings in FCP6 there is no option to playback 1080i HDV back to tape. Please someone prove me wrong

I don't know if I may help because I don't have any HV20 camera... With the XL-H1, the camera must be in "VCR mode" and not in "Camera mode" when you shut it on, to record on it your edited movie from FCP5. And I found that "Basic Firewire" protocole in FCP is stronger than the other firewire options.

I don't think the problem is FCP because I simply choose print to tape and the project goes through a conforming process and is good to go. When I put the HV20 into record it stops and the camera asks to check the HDV input. I just don't get it??
I know someone brilliant out there has the answer.
Cheers, Aldo

Thanks Ronan. I've done all that again and again and it still does not work.
Aldo

Unfortunately there doesn't seem to be support for HV20 support for print to video in FCP yet. I don't think iMovie's export function works eith it either. I haven't tried in 60i mode but I know that the 24p mode definitely doesn't work.

You may be right. I connected my HV20 to my friends MAC with FCP and it would not read HDV. My XH A-1 did work.

HV20 is DV in ONLY
 

Somewhere in the manual it states that it can ONLY take in DV. No HDV.
It can do some crazy output and downconverts, but only records DV in the VTR mode.

Unless someone finds a way to hack this, you can't play an HDV timeline back to tape as HDV. Not with the HV20.

Best, Anthony

HV20 can dub HDV, but maybe not from a computer?
 

I haven't tried recording back to the HV20 here, but page 72 of my manual (found under Digital video input (DV dubbing)) in the Index says...

"You can input video from other digital
video devices and record the input video
on the tape in the camcorder. Video input
will be recorded on the tape in the same
standard of the original (HDV or DV)."

They are saying that you can copy a tape. I'll try FCE later and update the thread.

...Neil

It works for me (FCP6 and HV20)

Are you guy sure you have all of your FCP settings correct?

Might be best to use the HDV Basic under Easy Setup. That sets "Edit to Tape/PTV" to HDV.

I´m happy yo hear it works for some. I have those settings, but I´m wondering if the it´s my timeline setting that´s "wrong".
I´m away shooting, so I can´t check until tomorrow.

Yes, it DOES work!
 

Hey!
It works. Here's exact settings for HV20 and Final Cut Pro 6.0

On HV20 VTR mode:
Menu> Play/out setup 1
Playback STD A - (*this is important part*)

Connect to firewire cable.
Launch FCP 6.0
In Audio/Video Settings, Summary Tab,
Seq Pres: HDV 1080i60
Capt Pres : HDV
Device Control: HDV Firewire Basic
*IGNORE VIDEO PLAYBACK*

select A/V Devices Tab.
Playback output is set to none.
The "Different Output for Edit to Tape/Print to Video" box should be checked.
Video: HDV (1440x1080) 60i.

Click OK.
Set in/out points on edit.
FILE>Print to Video.

It'll start the deck, record, stop. Takes a little bit to
"Conforming HDV Video"
Actually a lot. One hour for 20 seconds of video, due to 4 seconds of a clip that has a speed adjustment of 200%.
20 seconds of cuts only HDV took 7 minutes (yes, it's a iMac G5 2ghz with 1.5 ram... Should be beefier.)

Are we going through recompression/image degradation with this "Conforming business?"

Faster SD DVDs w/ DVD Recorder
 

Given that you can output HDV to the HV20, it would seem that you could bump out to tape through the HV20, then plug into a DVD Recorder set top box and record a DVD.

The DVD would be 720x480, 60i (with random interlaced frames) and not take advantage of widescreen tvs, but it would be a DVD good for faster review and not hoarding the computer with renders. Rip it apart with Mpeg Stream Clip 2 and you could add new menus to it in DVD SP (according to other posts...) without re-rendering the video & audio assets.

Anyone done this yet? Any pitfalls?
This seems pretty cool for bypassing all the Compressor renders and doing things real time (record, then playback). My thinking it is would be FASTER by a few hours of encoding.

Best, Anthony Torres

Thanks for posting this. Going over my settings again I saw that I had sequence set to 25p not 50i. When I changed that AND restarted FCP it worked with my H1. I don´t have my HV20 here now, but I´m pretty sure it will be the same.

What format are you editing in? Are you doing native HDV editing? ProRes422 editing? AIC?

Just a quick update, the settings worked with my HV20 as well.
This makes life much easier for me, as I cut on a FCP, but my colleague use Premiere and he has the real work station. I was worried about transferring clips from FCP to Premiere, but now I can do some editing at home, print to tape and bring the tape over to his machine and capture there.
PS Will I lose any quality in this process?

I use Avid Liquid 7 and I've done it many a time. The biggest problem I've found is when some of my media, for example stills, is on a USB drive and I forget to plug it in. Avid fails to export but doesn't tell you why!

Settings
 

Yes, the settings are for editing native 60i HDV. The 24P is wrapped in 60i. You are NOT editing 24P. You are editing in a 60i timeline so you can record to tape (which is restricted to 60i). So there is NO reverse telecine going on. Which saves time and drive space for rough cuts.

Again, prior posts review the ups and downs of this approach. But you have to be native 60i HDV timeline to go back to Tape.

You ARE recompressing all the frames to get the HDV to record to tape. This takes some time, which is why folks advocate transcoding to ProRes or another codec. Alas, with those codecs you can't record to tape. Only native 60i HDV works.

So is this a generation down? Yes. If you were editing DV, your effects/transitions would render, but that's it. Alas, HDV from the HV20 is awesome, and you can do amazing things with Magic Bullet Looks and Conduit/Dv Matte Pro 3. In a sense, you should be running Magic Bullet looks. All the good looking stuff is more attributable to MB Looks. (without cc, a lot of action films look like junk. It's that color correction that gives it a pop. Magic Bullet Looks makes it easier for all of us.) 35mm adapters can wait, particularly when you could buy 2 HV20s for the price of one full kit (including 35mm lens). Shallow depth of field is great, but cc sells the shot.

Good luck, Anthony Torres