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Mike Horrigan March 25th, 2007 03:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Duane Steiner (Post 648127)
In regards to the HV20 missing a LANC port, how easy is it to use the zoom controls on the LCD screen with the camera on a tripod/monopod?

Couldn't you also use the zoom controls on the remote?

Mike Teutsch March 25th, 2007 03:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Duane Steiner (Post 648127)
In regards to the HV20 missing a LANC port, how easy is it to use the zoom controls on the LCD screen with the camera on a tripod/monopod?

Not sure you would want to use the screen control but the top control is very accessable and does not require much effort to move. It won't move the camera.

In addition, it comes with a nice remote control. It might not work from the rear, but from the side and toward the front it works. You then have zoom and start stop etc..

With a small mounted mirror, you could do it all from behind the camera.

Most zooming in and out is done for frameing and not for effect, at least for me anyway.

Mike

Mike Teutsch March 25th, 2007 03:42 PM

I see Mike beat me to it on the remote, I had to take some phone calls while typing and he beat me! :)

Mike

Art Willig March 25th, 2007 03:42 PM

Sure you can...but have you seen the remote? It's like 20 buttons crammed on a little stick. Most consumer cams don't include the focus feature either. This is why the pro's rig is setup with a properly positioned and simplified controller to get studio-like movement and focus without taking their eyes off the subject.

Mike Teutsch March 25th, 2007 03:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Art Willig (Post 648156)
Sure you can...but have you seen the remote? It's like 20 buttons crammed on a little stick. Most consumer cams don't include the focus feature either. This is why the pro's rig is setup with a properly positioned and simplified controller to get studio-like movement.

Again, this is not a Pro Camera.

I don't know about your lanc, but my Varizoom is about half the size of the HV20's remote, and the controls are no larger. This remote fits my hand perfectly.

Mike :)

Doug Thome March 25th, 2007 04:03 PM

I only read the first page and got the gist of what I think is going on.

The internet is a powerful marketing tool and it can be used against others also. I'll reserve judgement till a known credible poster makes a detailed review.

This counter marketing happens all the time on BBs.

Mike Teutsch March 25th, 2007 04:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Doug Thome (Post 648171)
I only read the first page and got the gist of what I think is going on.

The internet is a powerful marketing tool and it can be used against others also. I'll reserve judgement till a known credible poster makes a detailed review.

This counter marketing happens all the time on BBs.

I don't understand are you talking about? Can you explain.

Mike

Robert Ducon March 25th, 2007 04:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Doug Thome (Post 648171)
I only read the first page and got the gist of what I think is going on.

The internet is a powerful marketing tool and it can be used against others also. I'll reserve judgement till a known credible poster makes a detailed review.

This counter marketing happens all the time on BBs.

Doug, the rest of the thread is pretty positive. Don't judge till you read the rest - this is one of the most sensible forums I've ever seen on the net. Very well monitored. Kudos to DVinfo!

Mike Teutsch March 25th, 2007 04:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robert Ducon (Post 648196)
Doug, the rest of the thread is pretty positive. Don't judge till you read the rest - this is one of the most sensible forums I've ever seen on the net. Very well monitored. Kudos to DVinfo!

I believe he is trying to insinuate that a negitive post was made so that a bunch of folks would post positive and defensive posts.

I don't believe that is what happened here though. I think someone either got a defective camera or made a hasty judgement on it. The post or thread was an honest one either way.

The rest of us have had very positive views of the HV20.

Mike

Ken Ross March 25th, 2007 05:26 PM

It's funny, my interpretation was that he was insinuating that one or two posters were trying to scare potential Canon buyers away. Whatever, it's pretty obvious the first poster was having a problem that most others were not.

Doug Thome March 25th, 2007 05:26 PM

I question the veracity of the original post. To be blunt, I think it's a story written to discredit the camera right out of the shoot. I might start to believe it if this is still a viable topic in a few months. I appreciate those who gave sincere replys.

An internet BB 'drive-by'.

Chris Hurd March 25th, 2007 05:47 PM

Well I think it's obvious that the title of the thread should be changed. No doubt the original poster returned the HV20 after one hour, but the reason was not "due to bad autofocus design." It was instead perhaps due to unrealistic expectations or unfamiliarity with how the camcorder is designed to operate. I'll come up with some suitable revision for a more appropriate thread title.

Mike Horrigan March 25th, 2007 07:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Hurd (Post 648234)
Well I think it's obvious that the title of the thread should be changed. No doubt the original poster returned the HV20 after one hour, but the reason was not "due to bad autofocus design." It was instead perhaps due to unrealistic expectations or unfamiliarity with how the camcorder is designed to operate. I'll come up with some suitable revision for a more appropriate thread title.

Thanks, Chris!

I think that would be appropriate, all things considered.

Mike

Mike Teutsch March 25th, 2007 08:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Hurd (Post 648234)
Well I think it's obvious that the title of the thread should be changed. No doubt the original poster returned the HV20 after one hour, but the reason was not "due to bad autofocus design." It was instead perhaps due to unrealistic expectations or unfamiliarity with how the camcorder is designed to operate. I'll come up with some suitable revision for a more appropriate thread title.

Me too, and thanks Chris! Yes the title of this thread got screwed around and maybe should be changed.

I await your modification. See you at NAB.

Mike

Chris Hurd March 25th, 2007 09:37 PM

Thread title changed from "Returning HV20 after 1 hour due to bad autofocus design" to "Returning HV20 after 1 hour." We know for a fact that the "Returning HV20 after 1 hour" part is true. The "bad autofocus design" part is an obfuscation. There is nothing wrong with the autofocus design on the HV20, and it is highly unlikely that there was anything at all wrong with this particular HV20. Hope this helps,

Mike Horrigan March 25th, 2007 09:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Hurd (Post 648357)
Thread title changed from "Returning HV20 after 1 hour due to bad autofocus design" to "Returning HV20 after 1 hour." We know for a fact that the "Returning HV20 after 1 hour" part is true. The "bad autofocus design" part is an obfuscation. There is nothing wrong with the autofocus design on the HV20, and it is highly unlikely that there was anything at all wrong with this particular HV20. Hope this helps,

Perfect! Now If I can just get mine sometime this week.

I'll be happy to post some footage as well.

If anyone wants to beat me to the "really low light footage" please feel free. ;)

Cheers,

Mike

Ken Ross March 26th, 2007 06:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Hurd (Post 648234)
Well I think it's obvious that the title of the thread should be changed. No doubt the original poster returned the HV20 after one hour, but the reason was not "due to bad autofocus design." It was instead perhaps due to unrealistic expectations or unfamiliarity with how the camcorder is designed to operate. I'll come up with some suitable revision for a more appropriate thread title.

I don't even think 'unrealistic expectations' fits, because the camera does focus quickly and accurately whether you're zooming or not. This was true of the HV10 and remains true with the HV20. In fact I'm not sure what I could do to simulate the 'problem' she had.....cover the lens with my hand, cover the instant autofocus window????

Matt Buys March 26th, 2007 02:34 PM

Mine 'seemed' to have this exact same focus problem for about two minutes. I know cameras don't have a tabula rasa type brain but honestly . . . I think the camera somehow adjusted its ability to focus properly. For those who have an HV20 coming I'd be curious if you have the same experience.

Jaadgy Akanni March 26th, 2007 03:04 PM

HVX-20's got the stealth mojo
 
I tell ya, I was so impressed with this footage from the HV20 with the Brevis adapter http://www.cinevate.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=479 that I'm thinking I gots to get me one o' these. I could make great use of the 24p cinema mode. I imagine myself riding the crouded trains of Manhattan, having the talent do their thing while I shoot way without anyone even noticing I'm carrying a camera in my inconspicuous little bag. To quote our friend from the Brevis forum the HV-20 "got the 'stealth' mojo working hard"

P.S: strike the "X"...lol

Paulo Teixeira March 26th, 2007 07:28 PM

If anyone wondering, Camcorderinfo’s review of the HV20 is up and they claim that the auto focusing is indeed better than the HC7’s.

If only I have spent more than a few minutes trying out the Canon HV20 I would have found out if the auto focus is better than the Panasonic AG-HSC1U that I tried for about an hour.

Leila Alkadi March 27th, 2007 11:53 AM

Can someone please change the title of this thread?

I received a replacement HV20 from BestBuy this morning.
Strangely, this is the first time that I've been asked to sign
on the driver's electronic pad.

Anyway, I immediatey took it out and attached the battery.
(yes, I know I should have charged it first, but I only had
a few minutes before I had to leave the house)

WOW! This HV20 definitely die NOT have any problem
with autofocus. I aimed it at the same objects under
the same light.(all done on a tripod) No problemo!

I guess the first HV20 that I returned must have been
a randon defective unit.... perhaps I should look into
BestBuy's 4-year service plan... :)

Mike Horrigan March 27th, 2007 12:19 PM

Leila, or it just could have been what was explained quite well here...
Quote:

Originally Posted by Alan Dunkel (Post 649371)
Mike, The default instant auto focus us just that, way fast, in this case calling it instant isn't much of a stretch. If the center of the image is small, like a squirrel, it will hunt if the camera person is shaky with the camera or the squirrel moves, not so with a larger subject or a steady hand. It is a very useful auto foucs feature, you can even simulate a rack focus with it, it snaps to that fast, it is unlike any other auto focus I've used and a great tool. I did change mine to regular ( not instant ) in the menu and it works like any consumer auto focus. I've been using that setting, but when going with manual focus I set back to the instant mode and can go to that or manual quickly that way without the menu. To each his own, but there are no issues with HV20 focus. None at all, now like any auto focus when you get in low light performance of the auto focus degrades, I'd suggest going manual and using the focus assist on the LCD when lighting dims. The HV20 image does do well in lower light, at least in 24p mode, which took me by surprise. I'm in no way saying it is a night vision device, you need light, but it does well in that regard for a basic consumer camera. My plan is to use an external monitor for narrative work, but that is due to the addition of the Brevis35 on front and a Nikon 50mm. In that configuration I will focus using a 720p monitor, not needed for the camera on its own though.
Thanks, Alan


Larry Vaughn March 27th, 2007 01:47 PM

Manual focus/ manual exposure/ ext mic
 
Manual focus/ manual exposure/ ext mic

Has anyone tried any of these features?

Pat Reddy March 27th, 2007 02:24 PM

manula focus, exposure and external mic
 
I have tried using these features. Manual focus and exposure functions work quite well. It's fun to us Av mode and see how changing the aperture affects depth of field.

Sadly, the Rode Videomic is picking up the whine of the camera, even when I attach it to a bracket off to the side of the camera. The Videomic has a high pass filter switch, but even selecting this does not filter out the noticeable whine of the camera. I can eliminate this by cranking down the mic sensitivity, but I have to lower the input volume too much to do so.

Dino Leone March 27th, 2007 03:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pat Reddy (Post 649611)
I have tried using these features. Manual focus and exposure functions work quite well. It's fun to us Av mode and see how changing the aperture affects depth of field.

Pat, could you upload an example? I'd be really really interested to see how shallow a depth of field is possible with the HV20. Ideal would be a subject around 10-20ft from the camera.

Dino

Pat Reddy March 27th, 2007 05:10 PM

I would, but I have an extremely slow land line connection. By the time I uploaded a sample, Canon would be releasing the HV30.

Pat

Leila Alkadi March 27th, 2007 08:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pat Reddy (Post 649611)
Sadly, the Rode Videomic is picking up the whine of the camera, even when I attach it to a bracket off to the side of the camera.

Same here... I kept my Rode Videomic when I sold my GL2(and replaced it with XH A1). I planned on using the Videomic for a smaller companion camcorder, which turned out to be the HV20... unfortunately, I experience the same problem... I ordered a Canon DM-50 and it should be here in a couple of day. It's no Videomic, but perhaps it will not pick up as much camera noise, no? :) Worst case scenario, I'll use the big AT stereo shotgun mic that I'm using on my XH A1... althought it will look really, really on on my little HV20. <grin>

Elmer Lang April 12th, 2007 03:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leila Alkadi (Post 649804)
Same here... I kept my Rode Videomic when I sold my GL2(and replaced it with XH A1). I planned on using the Videomic for a smaller companion camcorder, which turned out to be the HV20... unfortunately, I experience the same problem... I ordered a Canon DM-50 and it should be here in a couple of day. It's no Videomic, but perhaps it will not pick up as much camera noise, no?

Hi Leila,

How did that DM-50 work out? Getting good audio or are you picking up the motor whine and zoom?

best,
elmer

Glen Kim April 21st, 2007 09:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Elmer Lang (Post 659089)
How did that DM-50 work out? Getting good audio or are you picking up the motor whine and zoom?

I got the DM-50 and am spending the weekend shooting with it. So far, I've taken recordings of a picnic, some nature, and even a trip to Disneyland. I got good audio without any motor/zoom noise at all whatsoever. I had the DM-50 set to Stereo 1 the whole time, btw.

On a side note, I think it's too bad that this thread is continuing to get a large number of hits. It's a very bad representation of a great camcorder IMO. I'm getting the feeling that some people are reading the first post and not continuing to read the fact that the original person solved the problem.


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