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Jo Ouwejan December 1st, 2015 03:38 AM

Porthole in XA20
 
Does anyone have a remedie to avoid the nasty porthole effect in the XA20 yet?

Don Palomaki December 1st, 2015 09:51 AM

Re: Porthole in XA20
 
Porhole Effect? Do you mean vignetting or something else??

Jo Ouwejan December 1st, 2015 10:07 AM

Re: Porthole in XA20
 
I've been told, that it was known as the porthole effect. Under brighter conditions, the corners of the image are somewhat gey.

Rainer Listing December 1st, 2015 05:11 PM

Re: Porthole in XA20
 
I own an XA20 and I've heard the effect occurs sometimes on full zoom, bright light, ND on, stabilisation on, handheld. Kudos to those who found it and noticed it, I never have and I very much doubt a typical viewer would notice. Why are you asking? If you are considering buying an XA20, I seriously wouldn't be put off by these reports.

Don Palomaki December 1st, 2015 06:48 PM

Re: Porthole in XA20
 
That would be corner brightness fall-off type of vignetting, common to ALL lenses, both video and photo, and is one of the lens design considerations..

It is more apparent with flat images with large expanses of feature-less image, like blank walls, or a clear or uniformly overcast sky. It is less apparent in images with a lot of varied content. You can control it to some degree by adjusting the zoom and aperture settings.

See Canon Lens Vignetting (Light Fall-off) for more discussion.

The Paul van Walree link at the end of the above article gives more optical theory with math on the subject.

Jo Ouwejan December 2nd, 2015 02:12 AM

Re: Porthole in XA20
 
Thanks for your explanation Don. Fine to find out, that there is something I can do about it.

Don Palomaki December 2nd, 2015 08:02 AM

Re: Porthole in XA20
 
The articles suggest avoiding wide open apertures and wide zoom to minimize the corner fall off.

Ensure no physical items such as filter stacks or lens hoods obstruct the light path at the edges/corner of the frame.

If you can, avoid wide expanses of feature-less background and avoid lighting that causes hot spots mid frame (unless that you your intent) such as narrow beam lights on the camcorder that can make it worse.

Jo Ouwejan December 2nd, 2015 09:17 AM

Re: Porthole in XA20
 
Your recomendations in regard of the feature-less background and lighting midframe showed to be useless at the saltflats of Uyuni, Bolivia, where I sufffered the porthole most some weeks ago. But I will pay more attention to the zoomfactor and the aperture next time.

Rainer Listing December 2nd, 2015 03:08 PM

Re: Porthole in XA20
 
Jo, it seems you encountered an extreme example - can you post a frame?

Jo Ouwejan December 3rd, 2015 04:21 AM

Re: Porthole in XA20
 
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These are two frames, that I saved from the actual footage:

Don Palomaki December 3rd, 2015 06:17 AM

Re: Porthole in XA20
 
As was discussed in the link above the corner fall-off tends to draw the eye to the center of the frame. Not always a bad thing. However, you may be able to apply some form of gradient filter in post to brighten the corners a bit.

Rainer Listing December 3rd, 2015 06:00 PM

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Thanks Jo. Like Don says, and if it does bother you, and I don't think it should, there probably are a number of post fixes - I had a quick go in Vegas, just a soft edge mask and increased brightness, I think you'd do better with curves, gradients, secondary color, depends how much time you think is worth spending.

Don Palomaki December 4th, 2015 09:50 PM

Re: Porthole in XA20
 
The Adobe Lens Correction filter vignetting settings might work


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