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Lorinda Norton July 26th, 2006 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Gabriel Yeager
(section two)
"- The fluorite, the UD lens, it installs aspherical lens each 1, loading 11 group 16 optical 20 time zoom video L lenses which administer extensive multi coat. You are proud of the picture quality which excels from wide angular photographing of 35mm film conversion 32.5mm to the telephoto area of 650mm."

"- Suppressing the blurring of wide frequency with super range optical type hand blurring revision function (shift expression)."

Once more, please, in English??? lol. Sorry, but this technical stuff goes way over my head. Is this lens much different from Canon's other stock lenses?

And Graham....holdouts like us will make the leap. It's just a matter of time...and $$... ;)

Kevin Shaw July 26th, 2006 11:09 AM

Lorinda: it has a 20X zoom range going from "pretty darn wide" to "more than you'll usually need telephoto". Better than anything else in its class as far as I can tell.

Gabriel Yeager July 26th, 2006 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Lorinda Norton
Once more, please, in English??? lol. Sorry, but this technical stuff goes way over my head. Is this lens much different from Canon's other stock lenses?

I'm sorry but I cant answer that, cause I don't know what it means either... o_0

Peter Ferling July 26th, 2006 11:11 AM

After reading the article on the camcorderinfo.net, I like the mention of a camera built for especially for news and event videographers. The arrangement of the buttons and controls, and the added third ring for IRIS on the lens speaks volumes of how much effective material I will have vs. the "frame fodder" when aquiring the shot. Something I liked about the XL1s, not the best image, but you could get more shots that worked. Now I'll have the same controls, and at HDV resolution.

The smaller size and weight will go easy on my back. A drawback to working with the XL1s. (It's not a true shoulder cam, and required a three-point rig and a wide stance).

My hopes are for more accurate skin tones, another canon trait that I liked when filming people in all kinds of lighting. I'd sure like to see some sample video.

Harris Porter July 26th, 2006 11:18 AM

color
 
Is "jet black" the official color of every HDV camera out there? I'm not saying it doesn't look cool, I just wonder why Sony, JVC and Canon simultaneously dropped their grays and silvers when a new format came along.

What if I'm on a night shoot and I stumble and break my $7000 camera just because it's sooo stylish I can't even see it? That's what worries me.

Stu Holmes July 26th, 2006 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Dhadialla
Hello,
The lux rating shows 7 lux . Wonder how it will hold up in low light.

Cheers
Paul

I'm going to guess that the quoted 7lux is the Japanese version of lux rating.
This would equate to the "USA" version of min.lux rating at about 3lux, or basically very similar to the FX1/Z1 IMO.

Gabriel Yeager July 26th, 2006 11:24 AM

Does anyone know how much these baby's are going to cost?

Thanks!

Gabriel.

James Klatt July 26th, 2006 11:36 AM

How about the weight of these puppies? I am curious to see if I'd be able to use my merlin steadicam.

Kevin Shaw July 26th, 2006 11:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Harris Porter
What if I'm on a night shoot and I stumble and break my $7000 camera just because it's sooo stylish I can't even see it? That's what worries me.

Hmmm. Maybe you could line it with neon glow lights like the kids are putting on their cars these days? :-)

Simon Wyndham July 26th, 2006 11:39 AM

Maybe its already fitted with a neon glow in that circular side bit thingy.

Chris Barcellos July 26th, 2006 11:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kevin Shaw
Lorinda: it has a 20X zoom range going from "pretty darn wide" to "more than you'll usually need telephoto". Better than anything else in its class as far as I can tell.

That the one big gripe I have with the FX1, in order to shoot decent wildlife, you need to put on an extender, and there isn't a lot of good stuff out there yet...

Gabriel Yeager July 26th, 2006 11:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Simon Wyndham
Maybe its already fitted with a neon glow in that circular side bit thingy.

That would be really cool if it was! That would most definitely add to its appeal...

Chris Barcellos July 26th, 2006 11:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peter Ferling

The smaller size and weight will go easy on my back. A drawback to working with the XL1s. (It's not a true shoulder cam, and required a three-point rig and a wide stance).

These are a bit heavier that FX1 at 2000 plus grams. With nearly the same form factor, I am betting you will have still be dealing with a weight issue and balance, much the same as with the FX1.

Kevin Shaw July 26th, 2006 11:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gabriel Yeager
That would be really cool if it was! That would most definitely add to its appeal...

If I recall correctly from testing the XL-H1, the side thingy may have some lights in it so you can read the dial and display in the dark. This should be one very sweet camera... why the heck didn't they ship it last year?!?

Chris Barcellos July 26th, 2006 11:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by James Klatt
How about the weight of these puppies? I am curious to see if I'd be able to use my merlin steadicam.

Someone quoted 2100 to 2200 grams depending on model My conversion says over 4.5 lbs.

Gabriel Yeager July 26th, 2006 11:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kevin Shaw
If I recall correctly from testing the XL-H1, the side thingy may have some lights in it so you can read the dial and display in the dark. This should be one very sweet camera... why the heck didn't they ship it last year?!?

Man! Thats awesome! Now I don't know what camera I should get! I was thinking of going for a gl1 or 2, but now I don't know!

Paulo Teixeira July 26th, 2006 11:52 AM

I wonder if Panasonic would ever decide to put a 20X zoom lens on the successor of the HVX200.

I also wonder how Sony would have reacted if Canon were to release the 4000 dollar XH A1 right now.

Lorinda Norton July 26th, 2006 11:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kevin Shaw
Lorinda: it has a 20X zoom range going from "pretty darn wide" to "more than you'll usually need telephoto". Better than anything else in its class as far as I can tell.

Thanks, Kevin. I need to just be patient and have a look. It's easy to get caught up in the excitement! :)

Speaking of that, Gabriel and James, babies and puppies cost $3999 and $6999, and weigh 4.98 and 5.14 lbs. ;) If you check back on the links provided, there's a ton of info for us! I got a kick out of your enthusiasm, though!

Peter Ferling July 26th, 2006 12:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Barcellos
These are a bit heavier that FX1 at 2000 plus grams. With nearly the same form factor, I am betting you will have still be dealing with a weight issue and balance, much the same as with the FX1.

I was comparing with the Xl1s, it's forward heavy and awkward (I could feel it pulling forward. When I rented a GL1, it was more comfortable), and one of the reasons I was looking at the Z1U. I think the XHA1 would do nicely on a rig.

Gabriel Yeager July 26th, 2006 12:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lorinda Norton
Thanks, Kevin. I need to just be patient and have a look. It's easy to get caught up in the excitement! :)

Speaking of that, Gabriel and James, babies and puppies cost $3999 and $6999, and weigh 4.98 and 5.14 lbs. ;) If you check back on the links provided, there's a ton of info for us! I got a kick out of your enthusiasm, though!

Ahh! Thank you! I don't think I'll be able to afford that after all... :( But I'll try as hard as I can!

Chris Barcellos July 26th, 2006 12:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kevin Shaw
If I recall correctly from testing the XL-H1, the side thingy may have some lights in it so you can read the dial and display in the dark. This should be one very sweet camera... why the heck didn't they ship it last year?!?

Just look at it this way. If we hadn't bought those FX1s and Z1s in such great numbers, Canon wouldn't have made these moves. Sony, what's next ? HDV harddrive recording with dockable drive ??

Greg Boston July 26th, 2006 12:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kevin Shaw
If I recall correctly from testing the XL-H1, the side thingy may have some lights in it so you can read the dial and display in the dark. This should be one very sweet camera... why the heck didn't they ship it last year?!?

All of the XL series cameras, from the XL1 to XLH1 have a back light that can be turned on to see the LCD in darkness. Push the button, you get about 3 seconds...hold the button for a few seconds and it stays on until you turn it off again.

The only difference that I'm aware of, and Pete Bauer can help is that the XLH1 has a blue backlight while the XL2 and previous models had white backlighting.

-gb-

Heath McKnight July 26th, 2006 12:15 PM

USA site:

http://www.usa.canon.com/consumer/co...&modelid=14057

and

http://www.usa.canon.com/consumer/co...&modelid=14061

heath

Gabriel Yeager July 26th, 2006 12:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Greg Boston
All of the XL series cameras, from the XL1 to XLH1 have a back light that can be turned on to see the LCD in darkness. Push the button, you get about 3 seconds...hold the button for a few seconds and it stays on until you turn it off again.

The only difference that I'm aware of, and Pete Bauer can help is that the XLH1 has a blue backlight while the XL2 and previous models had white backlighting.

-gb-

I sure hope that the XH G1/A1 has a blue back light! That would be a great color blend!

Mathieu Ghekiere July 26th, 2006 12:16 PM

Greg, I have an XL1s and if I'm correct, I think it has blue backlight too. Well, a kind of blue green blacklight.

Not that this is on topic :-)

Mike Tesh July 26th, 2006 01:28 PM

What is the lens range in relation to a 35mm equivalent?

[EDIT]
Ok the lens range is
32.5mm – 650mm (35mm equivalent)
Would have been nice if they could have at least hit 28mm on the wide end. Most cameras lack a good wide angle. But I guess this is pretty close.

Pete Bauer July 26th, 2006 01:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Greg Boston
The only difference that I'm aware of, and Pete Bauer can help is that the XLH1 has a blue backlight while the XL2 and previous models had white backlighting.
-gb-

The XL H1 Mode Select (HD/F1/F2) and DV/HDV 1394 indicator are a bright blue color LED. The round dial LCD is standard wristwatch-greenish backlit, exactly as with previous XL cameras.

Mark Williams July 26th, 2006 01:49 PM

Anyone want to venture a guess. Metal or plastic body construction...

Meryem Ersoz July 26th, 2006 02:05 PM

the best thing about this new camera release is that my internal conversation about the next camera is OVER! (which leaves a little room to have a much more in-depth internal conversation about what to do about my next editing system!)

things i am no longer thinking:

"...but the zoom on this FX-1 just isn't cutting it!"

"i could get a used Z1 and be using it now instead of waiting"

"the H1 is just too rich for me, and my second cams aren't a good match"

"should i wait for RED. what the heck is RED anyway?"

"as a southpaw, i hate the XL2 form factor, do i want to translate this hatred to an H1 for a lot of money??"

now i don't have this junk in my head! bonus!

Greg Boston July 26th, 2006 02:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pete Bauer
The XL H1 Mode Select (HD/F1/F2) and DV/HDV 1394 indicator are a bright blue color LED. The round dial LCD is standard wristwatch-greenish backlit, exactly as with previous XL cameras.

Thanks for the clarification, Pete. I said white on the earlier models but you're right, it's a greenish background. Gee, how quickly we forget once our cameras are gone. (grin)

-gb-

Tim Le July 26th, 2006 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Mark Williams
Anyone want to venture a guess. Metal or plastic body construction...

It's probably metal. The lens barrel is definitely metal. It has the same slightly crinkled finish as a Canon L series EF lens.

Chris Hurd July 26th, 2006 02:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike Tesh
What is the lens range in relation to a 35mm equivalent?

Once again: Here's your XH Series F.A.Q. -- and I'm looking for suggestions as to what else I can add to it.

Heath McKnight July 26th, 2006 02:26 PM

Best advice I give to everyone is this:

1. Test as many cameras as possible, see how the image is under different situations (bright/low light, indoors, outdoors, etc.).

2. What features do you need? See which one comes close to addressing what you want out of a camera. If all you're looking for is 24p/f, the HD100 or the Canons may be what you're looking for. Or maybe not, because going to 24p with a Sony is easy.

3. If you need a camera now, buy it now. If you don't, wait.

4. Remember, it's just a tool. Which camera you pick doesn't make a difference if you can or cannot shoot well. When I show a short I did with my DP Jon Fordham, people love it. When I say we shot on the HD10, they're blown away, saying how could we do just a great job? Well, Fordham is a great DP, and understood the camera's strengths and weaknesses. Same with another short film that was shot on an FX1 with CineFrame 24 on. How did we do it with minimal issues with stuttering? We watched out for too much movement, etc.

heath

Scott Webster July 26th, 2006 02:53 PM

Can someone remind me, does Canon HDV (not the 24F) playback in the Sony HDV decks?

Great to see the 50i/60i 24/25p can be optioned on the new cameras.

Is that a real iris ring on that lens? (tears of joy)

Does the front mic protrude past the lens?

If you can put HD-SDI on a 7K camera, why can't anyone make a HDV deck with it?

Heath McKnight July 26th, 2006 02:54 PM

Sony plays back 60i and I think 30f, but not 24f. I tested it myself, thanks to some footage from Chris Hurd and Barry Green.

heath

Heath McKnight July 26th, 2006 02:57 PM

Also, Canon has never made a deck before. When I owned an XL1 years ago, I bought a Sony minidv deck (the tiny one, not the DSR series) to play back and record footage. I always get nervous about tapes in my camera and using it for a deck. I had a disaster after I sold said Sony deck...

heath

Mikko Wilson July 26th, 2006 03:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by James Klatt
How about the weight of these puppies? I am curious to see if I'd be able to use my merlin steadicam.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Barcellos
Someone quoted 2100 to 2200 grams depending on model My conversion says over 4.5 lbs.

2100g is 4.6lb

... And with the Steadicam Merlin able to fly up to 5.5lb, both these cameras will almost certainly fly perfectly. :)


- Mikko

Chris Hurd July 26th, 2006 03:24 PM

Mikko why did I know that you'd relate this to the Merlin, ha ha.

Joe Carney July 26th, 2006 03:38 PM

Hmmmmm, no component out? bummer (sorry folks, you were having to much fun:).

Heath McKnight July 26th, 2006 03:40 PM

I was just wondering that. The XL H1 has HD SDI and Component out.

hwm


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