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-   -   Anyone with some 8bit DSP insights? (https://www.dvinfo.net/forum/canon-xl-gl-series-dv-camcorders/28903-anyone-some-8bit-dsp-insights.html)

Don Palomaki July 27th, 2004 05:29 PM

Nick - not wrong to get involved, that is how we all learn.

Vamshidhar Kuchikulla July 28th, 2004 10:34 AM

hi everybody
 
Canon XL2 is definetely 8 bit A/D Digital Quantization. Its specified on simplydv.co.uk

url :http://www.simplydv.co.uk/docs/CanonXL2_specifications.pdf

thanx

Andre De Clercq July 28th, 2004 12:21 PM

If setup, and WB are performed in analog a 10 bit quantization depth for the analog CCD signals is OK (8+2 bits extra for standard gamma correction which is difficult in analog)) for not too complicated (digital) processing (excluding cine gamma , knee processing...) Less bitdepths result in banding and/or spatial dithering noise. Of course the final quantization after processing allways remains 8 bit for DV.

Don Palomaki July 28th, 2004 08:20 PM

DV is by definition an 8-bit quantization signal. That is what goes to tape and out the firewire. The question at hand is the internals before the video reaches the tape.

I would like to read the 8-bit A/D and DSP front-end specification from an authorative Canon voice, rather than a third party website.

Per the Canon service manuals, in the XL1 and the GL1 gamma correction takes place in the analog section before the initial A/D conversion and 9-bit DSP. It drops to 8-bit when it leaves the DSP to go to the recorder section. If find it difficult to believe that Canon would dumb it down in the XL2.

Chris Hurd August 12th, 2004 09:38 AM

I have received notification from Canon USA that the XL2 has a 12-bit DSP. This applies of course to both NTSC and PAL versions.

Aaron Koolen August 12th, 2004 03:31 PM

Great news Chris, and thanks for your effort on this!

I assume from the text of their reply that it means the A->D converter is 12 bit too <ducks quickly>?

Aaron

Rob Lohman August 13th, 2004 01:54 AM

Aaron: that should be the "DSP" they are talking about if I
understand it correctly.

Chris Hurd August 13th, 2004 01:58 AM

<< thanks for your effort on this >>

It wasn't much of an effort! All I did was receive an email.

Don Berube August 13th, 2004 05:24 AM

Chris Hurd wrote:
>>>>>>>>It wasn't much of an effort! All I did was receive an email.

C'mon Chris. Give yourself some credit where it is due, Young Padawan.

Maybe all you did was open an email yesterday,,, but you still deserve a LOT of kudos for your time and effort in building this site and helping to keep us informed about the XL2. Your telling us that the DSP was 12-bit yesterday reminded me of when I used to visit the original XL1 WatchDog years ago - when the XL1 first came out - this was always the place to come to learn more about all aspects of the XL - and it still is! To me, you are "The WatchDog"! http://www.dvinfo.net/canon/watchdog255x260.gif

THANKS Chris!

- don


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