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Mark Grgurev September 1st, 2004 12:36 PM

A question about the Pal XL2 CCD
 
The specs for the pal Xl2 say that in wide screen it uses 960 pixel horizontally, the NTSC model does too. So, there is no more pixels horizantally in the pal than in NTSC. However the Pal chip has 800,000 pixels per CCD while NTSC has 690,000. There has to be more pixels vertically (not that the pal needs anymore than the NTSC) in the Pal version. I already now the NTSC chip is 960x720, so what's the pal version's? All i can think of is that it is 960x850

Daniel von Euw September 1st, 2004 04:12 PM

Pal has 576 and NTSC 480 vertical Pixel.


regards
Daniel

Mark Grgurev September 1st, 2004 04:24 PM

I know that. I'm talking about the entire CCD Block not the video standard

Aaron Koolen September 1st, 2004 04:28 PM

If the PAL one has 800,000 pixels and it's still 960 wide then height must be 833.

Aaron

Rob Lohman September 2nd, 2004 05:31 AM

We know for sure that the NTSC chips have a certain area above
and below the "content" area that are not being read (to get a
16:9 CCD). I assume on PAL the content area is simply increased
and the not used areas are decreased. That sounds like a simple
and perfect workable plan to me. I don't think they would put
different chips in there. Makes sense?

Daniel von Euw September 2nd, 2004 07:54 AM

Hi Rob,

nice idee but this can not work.

If "the content area is simply increased" its no longer 16:9 ratio. So it must be another chip used.


regards
Daniel

Jean-Philippe Archibald September 2nd, 2004 08:22 AM

If the total pixels count isn't the same, it can't be the same chip.

Rob Lohman September 2nd, 2004 08:35 AM

Jean-Philippe: I'm pretty sure they are talking about effective
pixel counts, not the maximum number of pixels on the CCD's.

Daniel: yes it will due to pixel aspect ratio's. Ofcourse it will
probably have a wider resolution as well to get the different PA
in the first place.

Then again it could be different chips as well. There also concerns
for DoF and FoV, ofcourse.

Daniel von Euw September 2nd, 2004 09:51 AM

I mean. If it is the same chip - it must be also the same pixel size. And so the content area can not in both case 16:9


regards
Daniel

Chris Hurd September 2nd, 2004 05:53 PM

Different CCD's in the PAL XL2.

See this page for more info:

http://www.dvinfo.net/canonxl2/articles/article06.php

Rob Lohman September 5th, 2004 02:57 AM

Thanks Chris! I somehow missed that.


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