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-   -   XL2 side-by-side GL2 (https://www.dvinfo.net/forum/canon-xl-gl-series-dv-camcorders/32512-xl2-side-side-gl2.html)

Pete Bauer September 25th, 2004 05:07 PM

XL2 side-by-side GL2
 
I did a quick side-by-side with my "old" GL2 and sparkly new XL2 in 16:9, 30p that I thought might be of some interest to the community. If so:

http://www.geosynchrony.com/scratchpad.htm

One favor, though...please "Right Click...Save As..." so you're only tapping my server once for the 16MB WM9 file. That'll help me tremendously to keep the bandwidth under control. Thanks.

Mike Hardcastle September 25th, 2004 06:09 PM

Great footage test pete, all these clips being posted are really making me lean to the XL2 as an upgrade to my XM2 (GL2)....

Barry Goyette September 25th, 2004 06:46 PM

Pete

Great comparison...I think this shows what most of us have been experiencing with the camera. I think your uprezzing the footage to 720p is interesting as well...one of the things you notice is the lack of aliasing, compared to the Gl2 image..the lack of stairsteps is one of the things that lets it blow up to HD size and still look good. I just tried it with some of my clips, and I was really surprised how good it holds up.

Barry

Cosmin Rotaru September 28th, 2004 09:38 AM

Pete, the XL2 footage looks great!

But I'd like to some comparision where I can tell how great the XL2 is over the GL2. Not how bad GL2 is compared to XL2... because the GL2 footage looks kinda funny... I have the XM2 (PAL version of GL2) and I think it can do more then what you're showing. Is the "sharpness" turned all way UP on that camera?!

I'd like to upgrade from XM2 to XL2. But this test is NOT helping me decide....

Jim Giberti September 28th, 2004 10:33 AM

Pete...nice site....thanks for the recruiting MP3. <g>.

Alfredo Castil September 29th, 2004 12:28 PM

Amazing!

It is so surprising how the xl2 looks uprezzed to HD. If there were any doubts about me getting the xl2, they are gone.

Thanks a lot!

Aaron Shaw September 29th, 2004 03:56 PM

wow, was this uprezzed to 720p?

Pete Bauer September 30th, 2004 04:49 AM

Thanks for the comments, folks.

Cosmin,

Both cameras used the factory default for colors, sharpness, etc -- EXCEPT I had been playing with the XL2's skin tone feature and I'm not sure if I had remembered to turn that off before doing this little demo. Regardless, in 16:9 (but perhaps not in 4:3?) the XL2 unquestionably has higher resolution, as one would expect. It may be that your PAL XM2 looks better than my NTSC GL2 clip; PAL has more lines and a different chroma scheme (4:2:0 vs 4:1:1) that may give a little different look than NTSC.

As far as your decision to buy a new camera...it really depends what you want out of a camera. Although far from encyclopedic, several of us shared a few thoughts in another thread:

http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthrea...threadid=32268

When I have more time, I'll add another frame grab or two to my web site (probably NOT today). I'll double check and report all pertinent settings.

Alfredo and Aaron,

Yes, 720p. I captured both cameras' clips into PPro 1.5, trimmed them down, added the titles, and exported using PPro's Adobe Media Encoder WM9 720p setting.

I was simply attempting to minimize visible transcoding artifacts so that the actual differences in the two cameras' images would not be masked by the transcoding and additional compression. But I guess this also shows that for those of us looking forward to the day when HDTV will be ubiquitous, our (up-rezzed) XL2 footage will still look ok on the Home Big Screen.

Ciao for now,

Cosmin Rotaru September 30th, 2004 07:10 AM

Pete, thank you for your explanations!
I'm not going to upgrade this year. (financial issues!) So, I have plenty of time to read user opinions and decide!

Thanks for the other link also!

Michael OKeefe March 22nd, 2005 02:58 PM

Hey Pete,

Thanks for the footage!

I only have one question: is the Xl2 footage supposed to freeze in the middle of the movie, or is that just me?

Armando Ferreira March 22nd, 2005 04:01 PM

Excellent Thread!! just what I was looking for! :THUMBS UP:

Pete Bauer March 22nd, 2005 08:56 PM

Michael,
The cameras were actually side-by-side recording at the same time, but their clips are played in the file sequentially, XL2 first, then GL2. There's an apparent "jump" as the footage switches from the end of the XL2 clip to the beginning of GL2 clip, but I just checked and it played through fine for me directly off the web site.

All,
Glad some of y'all are finding these little studies useful. While my wife and daughter are out of town the next 5 days, I'll be a "Class B" bachelor so I think I'll have time to do some more mini-tests that are on my video To Do List.

Chris Hurd March 22nd, 2005 09:05 PM

Well done, Pete! Let me know if you need hosting assistance with that 16mb file; I'd be happy to upload it if it'll take the strain off of your server. Much appreciated,

Michael OKeefe March 23rd, 2005 04:30 PM

I think it might just be my slow computer then, as it is pausing (video only, audio is fine) during the XL2 part of the video.

Matthew Nayman March 24th, 2005 06:54 AM

Wow, as an owner fo the GL2 and hopefulyl FUTURE XL2 owner, this was a useful clip. I was actually amazed to see that there is such a difference in the two pictures. I think you just made Canon another $6000 from me!


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