DV Info Net
Page 2 of 2 1 2
Show 40 post(s) from this thread on one page

DV Info Net (https://www.dvinfo.net/forum/)
-   Canon XL H Series HDV Camcorders (https://www.dvinfo.net/forum/canon-xl-h-series-hdv-camcorders/)
-   -   XL H1 and 24F (https://www.dvinfo.net/forum/canon-xl-h-series-hdv-camcorders/56681-xl-h1-24f.html)

Michael Pappas December 24th, 2005 03:28 PM
Thanks Barry! If you know when that test will be of all cameras, let me know and if it's cool I will fly out to Vegas to be a part of that! Unless it's going to be in LA then that's right here.............

pappas


Quote:
Originally Posted by Barry Green
It isn't. But it is illustrative in determining whether 24F makes a difference or not. Clearly it does. It is, simply put, lower res than 60i.

That's what the question was at the beginning. And now we know the answer.


For some, sure. But then again, res charts are only one test; color sampling and dynamic range and highlight handling and compression quantizing and all sorts of other image quality factors are not measured by a res chart!

The question under discussion was not "is the XLH1 as good as an F900". The question was: "what's the deal with 24F?" That was what this thread was exploring.


That's a question that can only be answered by those who saw it themselves. Again, reading a res chart is quite subjective. Using my criteria would the F900 have resolved 850+ lines? Only shooting the same chart in the same place at the same time with the same shooter will answer that.


Won't know until I conduct that test, something I plan to do in late Dec. or probably early Jan. with all 5 cameras (HD100, Z1, XLH1, HVX, and F900).


I've been asking Panasonic to do basically exactly that -- give us a shoulder-mount pro model sort of like the DSR250 was to the PD150. They are, quite understandably, a little more concerned with getting their existing product launched than talking about what may come next!

Barry Green December 24th, 2005 03:44 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Michael Pappas
Thanks Barry! If you know when that test will be of all cameras, let me know and if it's cool I will fly out to Vegas to be a part of that! Unless it's going to be in LA then that's right here.............

pappas
I'm thinking of doing it in L.A. There just isn't any equipment base out here. I can get an F900 here, but I don't think there's even an XLH1 in town, and I don't know anyone with a Z1 -- I can lay my hands on a few FX1s but I'd rather have a Z1. And I don't know anyone here with an HD100, since I sent mine back. Besides, I like to have multiple sets of eyes, so going to L.A. would put me within range of guys like you, Nick, Evin Grant, Charles Papert, Nate Weaver, etc. Just seems to make more sense. Unless everyone was coming here for CES anyway, at which point maybe I'd just delay and do it then...

Shannon Rawls December 24th, 2005 03:48 PM
Well Barry. My gear is your gear if you need it. And I hate to see them sit here doing noting. They look like furniture. So consider yourself with 2 basically unused cameras already. a Z1U and a XL-H1. You gotta come up with the others (unless I grab a HVX200 as well when its released)

Hopefully Nick will be back in town, and you can use his XL-H1 & F900 as well. I'll sit back and watch you expert DP's disect these animals.
Actually, I can shoot the "Behind The Scene Footage" with another camera! Then we can stream that on the web. How's that?

A test like that deserves it's own website & domain name!

- ShannonRawls.com

Barry Green December 24th, 2005 04:28 PM
Well now, that takes care of two of the four, and I'll have an HVX, and if I can get Nate to come along that'll take care of the HD100. So yes, this should come together nicely! Thanks Shannon!

Shannon Rawls December 24th, 2005 04:37 PM
The Rose Parade would be a NICE "practical" place to shoot once the studio tests are done as well.

- ShannonRawls.com

Nick Hiltgen December 24th, 2005 09:11 PM
DRAT! I will be shooting this movie until the 15th, But if it's later on I'd love to be involved, hmm does anyone have access to a varicam(or the pixelvision...)? And you're right that we should set up a site, or at the very least a special section on dv info/ hdv info.

Yasser Kassana December 26th, 2005 08:27 PM
I think we can get into semantics of 24p or 24f or cf24 etc etc. However, the question remains is that are you getting what you want? I mean how many of us are going to be blowing up to 35mm?? 3% at the most maybe more - okay 5%. So who really cares, most of our work goes on DVD, for for DVD, HDV is good enough. My fx1 does CF25 here inthe UK, although it cuts resolution etc, is not 25p, but i'll tell you what - it's damn good. So canon doesn't do 24p, but i'm happy to hear it does a damn good job of 24f.

Chris Hurd December 26th, 2005 08:34 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Shannon Rawls
A test like that deserves it's own website & domain name!
I have a much better idea. Let's make it part of DV Info Net. After all, everybody is already here. Taking this test somewhere else would be a *bad* idea in my opinion. I would have a *very* hard time pointing to some other site. Unless there is some compelling reason *not* to do it here, in which case, let me know so I can fix it. Otherwise I'm more than happy to host the video, the files, whatever. DV Info Net's server space and bandwidth is at your disposal. This site is here for you to use, so why not make the most of it.

Tony Tibbetts December 26th, 2005 09:37 PM
I can't believe this argument is still going on. I can't believe new threads on this subject keep appearing. If you can put it onto an NLE timeline at 24fps, and export it at 24fps, how is it fake 24fps?

We might as well say that if something isn't captured on film it isn't a movie.

It's obviously been proven that this camera isn't using some old school frame mode.

Shannon Rawls December 26th, 2005 09:49 PM
Chris, my experiment worked!

i said that in aspiration of you offering a section for it. *smile*

- ShannonRawls.com

p.s.
I'm @ The Grove in the movie theater getting ready to watch King Kong @8pm. lol i'm on dvinfo.net using my i500 cellphone and the BLAZER web browser. my wife is getting pissed.
i'm addicted to dvinfo. *smile*

Chris Hurd December 26th, 2005 10:01 PM
Yeah, you're hooked all right. And that's one way of getting my attention! Enjoy Kong,

Levan Bakhia December 28th, 2005 03:12 AM
So, I am now confused, I already allocated $9000 in my budget to buy one XL H1, and now that you decided to do the test, wonder if I should wait or not. If you do it soon enough I will wait, if not I don't think I should.

Shannon, why don't you shoot something with mini35 and post the footage? I really want to see it. Please do so. Because when all of you talk about 24p as something so important for filmlike look, why do you forget about DOF, without it all of 24p is nothing.

Levan Bakhia December 28th, 2005 03:24 AM
Oh, and one more question, it might be stupid but and forgive me, but if I have XL H1 what is the procedure of capturing from tape to my computer, please consider that I have MAC not PC. and I mean to capture 24p, or 24f whatever.

:*) thanks for the answer, if you do so.

Levan Bakhia December 28th, 2005 03:26 AM
Oh, and I have Decklink PRO HD card.

:*)

Ron Pfister December 28th, 2005 03:52 AM
I can't give you information from first-hand experience, but this is how it should work:

With the Decklink card, you can capture uncompressed 4:2:2 HD via HD SDI directly (while you are shooting) --> Massive amounts of data (~10 GB/min)!!

Footage recorded on tape (HDV) can be captured via HDVxDV, afaik. I don't think FCP is capable of capturing HDV directly from the XL H1 at this point, but I'm not sure. I'm sure Apple will fix this in the near future, though.

Nick Hiltgen and A.J. deLangue (members on the forum here) have hands-on experience with the XL H1 and a Mac workflow. Maybe they can chime in?


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 09:46 AM.
Page 2 of 2 1 2
Show 40 post(s) from this thread on one page

DV Info Net -- Real Names, Real People, Real Info!
1998-2025 The Digital Video Information Network