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Joe Batt July 3rd, 2007 01:52 AM

manual lacks explanation
I am getting to know my XL-H1 and there are a few adjustment I don't quite understand, are there available resources that explain them? The problem is in adjusting the presets.

Example: In the manual under Master Pedestal it explains; "Adjusts master pedestal from -9 to +9."

Where can I find explanations of these adjustments and what they actually do?


Will Griffith July 3rd, 2007 05:36 AM

If I remember correctly master pedestal effects the shadow
detail or shadow brightness, can't remember. Either way it
is just another preference and something you will just need to
play with to see what you like. It is all about what look you
are going for.

Marty Hudzik July 3rd, 2007 06:34 AM

Unfortunately Canon assumes that if you are plopping down the big bucks on a camera like this you will know all of these terms. You'd be better to google each one and find articles about them as most are general terms, not specific to the H1 only.

I always get a kick when manuals do this. Here is an example. Your are using an audio editing applicaiton and see a button that says. "wave modulation reverse inhibitor". YOu get out the manual only to find this.

Wave Modulation Reverse Inhibitor: Selecting this option toggle the Wave Modulation Reverese Inhibitor On/Off.

Duh! I see this all the time ( not this exact one as I made it up) and it can get frustrating.

Good Luck.

Carlos Quinones July 3rd, 2007 10:01 AM

This is not directed to any one or to discriminate any one, is just a reality thats happening in this busisness...

That's right...Canon assumes that any body that gets one of this cameras is already a pro.

All pro camera manufactore wont specify whats every switch for...you are suppost to know already.

I seen these alot when any body wants to get to the field without knowlage.
Thats why we go to school and learn the field, and make money out of it too.

Don't get mad! but you should it get an smaller canon version or maybe an older Xl series.

Take care...

God Bless You,

Carlos Quinones
It's Written Productions, LLC.

Joe Batt July 3rd, 2007 09:06 PM

Thanks Will and Marty,
I guess I was trying to be lazy about getting the info. I appreciate the empathy on the manual matter.

Daniel Epstein July 4th, 2007 07:26 AM

Just to ease your path a little. Master Pedestal is supposed to be the overall black level adjustment. You can use it to lift or crush your black level without changing the balance between the individual channel adjustments. If you set it too low you will lose detail in dark parts of the picture, too high and everything will go gray. Other settings can interact with each other so be careful that you are not adding to one setting to compensate for another setting you have adjusted

Dan Keaton July 4th, 2007 07:40 AM

Dear Joe,

Please read the following webpage from the Canon XL H1 mini-stie.


Then read all of the other pages one the above site. You will find the information very helpful. Specifically, read all of the downloads and whitepapers.

After reading the above, which explains the information missing from the manual, please feel free to come back and ask more questions.

Andris Krastins July 4th, 2007 11:21 AM

Well, I'm very new to filmmaking (hence my sig), and I (naturally) found out that buying some books really helps. ;) I can't imagine learning filming just from a camera manual.

I don't want to advertise any particular ones, have a look at Amazon.com

Joe Batt July 4th, 2007 01:26 PM

I don't know how I missed that page at the canon website but that's exactly what I was looking for. I couldn't agree more about the book suggestion. It can be tough finding the answer to a very specific question sometimes. Isn't that what makes sites like this one so great?

A. J. deLange July 5th, 2007 03:30 PM

The real problem here is that Master Pedestal is an archaic thing from the days of SD broadcast television. If one turned it on the mimimum black level was limited to 7.5 (out of 100) IRE units which limited the amount of video power the transmitter could put out. This was done in order to insure that the power at the tip of the sync pulse, the maximum the transmitter could produce, was far enough above the video power level that the receiver's sync circuits could accurately determine the timing of the pulse. -9 to +9 doesn't mean much (to me anyway) in those terms and so we must assume that what is being offered here is the opportunity to set the blackest black to between 0 IRE (-9?) and 7.5 IRE (+9?) in 19 steps. I guess it's cool to be able to do that but why not use IRE units i.e. something pro's would understand rather than this confusing -9 to + 9 thing. Same comment goes for matrix settings. It great that they can be controlled but the numbering scheme is pretty confusing.

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