Blu-Ray Export Help
 

Not sure if this thread should be here for DVD authoring but as the raw footage is Cineforn thought I'd post it here. I'm editing a 20 min DVD/Bluray from a car event and I have a problem with the exported footage.

The reds and oranges flicker on the export bluray disc other colours seem to be fine. When I've got a panning shot and you pan past one of these colours you get a ghosting effect? Not sure I've had this problem before. The footage looks fine in CS4 and can't see the flickering/ghost.

The footage is export using automatic settings in Encore. Footage is from the Sony Z1.

I should say I'm watching the bluray via my Sony PS3 on a LCD telly.

Can anyone help me?

CFHD out to BluRay
 

I've been using Cineform .avi files to author DVDs and BluRays for 3 years, first with DVDitProHD and now on Win7/CS4 Encore. My DVDs and BluRays play fine on both players and my PS3 with none of the odd effects you are seing. Both programs previewed the .avi files fine too. Did they look OK in preview? Old cam was Sony HDR-HC1 and new one is Panny HDC-TM300 (AVCHD onto SHDC cards).

On DVD builds, I do use one of the progressive presets so I see no "jaggies".

I've just encoded a DVD and off to test that but the main problem is with the bluray discs.

Yes its on DVD but can't see it as much. I've just checked my converted Cineform file and the flicker is on there. I have the orignial cineform file from the camera a m2t 1440*1080 and its not flickering, then I used HDlink to resize it to 1920*1080.

Using HDlink to convert the m2t into CFHD without the resize and going to see whats its like now.

I can't get rid of this flicker - Its bright colours that fick but its only in the CineForm AVI. In the CineForm m2t file its fine!

I'm going to capture the tape again and see.

http://www.northern-loop.tv/Video/encore%20m2t.JPG

http://www.northern-loop.tv/Video/cineform%20avi.JPG

The 1st JPG is the M2T captured from the camera - This plays without* any flickering.

The 2nd JPG flickers on the PC and on export bluray discs - Why is Encore picking it up as 4*3 and the m2t is fine?

I'm uploading the M2T file and AVI now as well. Can someone please tell me what I'm doing wrong?

http://www.northern-loop.tv/Video/VM...y%2001-001.m2t

http://www.northern-loop.tv/Video/VM...01-001-001.avi

Right click save as

I can't get the problem to occur, so please work with support.

You can't see the flicker in the AVI I have uploaded? How are you playing the file?

I can't tell what's going on from the information provided, but I would be interested to know if your Cineform.avi is 1440x1080 60i 1.3 par (the HDV spec), or did you convert the HDV to full raster 1920x1080 60i square pixel CF.avi. I ask because I have had various artifact issues (jaggies, line twitter, etc.) associated with transcoding 1440 60i CF to either BR or DVD
My procedure for output to BR is to have my edited footage as 1920x1080 60i CF, then to transcode to BR 1920x1080 60i (either mpeg or h.264) by exporting the project to AME wherein I can set & control all of the parameters. I then import the BR file to Encore, author, & burn. It's usually quite bulletproof and produces stunning HD, free of artifacts.
Good luck

David,

Yes, the AVI looks fine. MediaPlayer, GraphEdit and in VirtualDub.

Yeah I havent changed the file - See the M2t and AVI I have uploaded.

I'm using Windows Media player and the AVI is horrid. I dropped both clips into encore and burnt them to a BR disc, the m2t file is fine but the AVI flickers and you see the reds/oranges come right out.

Okay another file being uploaded - I got out my little CX105 and recorded whats on my Dell 24" TFT

http://www.northern-loop.tv/Video/00006.MTS

I know the quailty isnt perfect on this video but the 1st file is the M2T that plays fine, then I click to the next file the CF AVI and you can see its flickering surely?

Filming a screen always looks bad, but I can't see issues with red/orange flicker. Think you might be confusing interlace motion artifacts, what are present, but no color changes here (maybe a monitor artifact.) To play interlaced on a computer monitor you need some sort of deinterlace, many mpeg/H264 decoders do that automatically, but that can be bad for a finishing codec. Set in Start->Programs->CineForm->Tools set "Desktop Player - Fast" that defaults to a blend deinterlace.

Okay thanks - Setting it to Desktop player does sort out the deinterlace/fickering problem on the PC.

I can't work why the reds/oranges flicker on the bluray dvd on the Sony PS3 - Is it just a interlace problem? I thought the PS3 would sort that out as the footage is interlaced?

I don't know if I'm coming or going so I'll reconvert the M2T file and render and export everything again.

Do I need to do anything special in Encore?

Footage is 1440*1080 1.33

Can someone do a test for me. I have converted all my footage again, rendered everything in Pr and exported 15 seconds of the footage onto a BR ISO file.

If I play this ISO file @ slow speed on the PS3 via a LCD TV the reds and oranges flicker. Its the same on the PC using PowerDVD

http://www.northern-loop.tv/Video/br%20test.iso - Right Click save as

Can someone else burn that BluRay ISO and play it slow-mo?

Okay I have finally started to get somewhere with this damn flickering on exported Blu-ray discs!

Let’s start from the top

My workflow is use HDLink to create a M2T file.
Then I use the convert feature inside HDLink to create the large AVI files.
These are the files I use to edit in CS4.

So I spent a couple of weeks editing these CFHD files and I come to export. I normally just export the AVI (1440*1080 1.33 HQ interlaced) then import that file into Encore.

So I setup Encore to suit my file and exported it onto a Blu-ray RW disc.

I play my BRs via the Sony PS3 that is connected to a Dell 37" LCD TV 720p/1080i

This is where I started to notice on panning shots where there were reds/oranges the picture would flicker around those colours only. The rest of the picture would seem fine.

Deleted all the CF AVIs and used HDLink to convert the M2t into CFHD files.

Come back to the PC and render again - Another 8 hours, export, and same problem.

Opened project and render again - Another 8 hours, export but pick progressive fields. Although this seem to make the flickering less noticeable the rest of the picture wasn’t right.

Come back to the PC and removed all effects render again - Another 8 hours, export, same problem.

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So after this I scraped my project and went back to basics.

Opened a project dropped in the same 4 files (AVIs) that I saw the flickering on exported to CFHD and import to Encore - Flickers!


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Another new project but this time I used the M2T file that HDLink created from my camera and with no effects exported - NO FLICKERING! Result, getting somewhere.

Then with this M2T file still in the project I exported a MPEG2 file and this was fine.

So I thought I'd still use this file but now export it into a CineForm AVI - Dropped in into Encore and it plays without any flicks!



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Uninstalled Cineform and reinstalled and started from the top - Same results.



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This time I uninstalled Cineform but went back to build version 4.2.0 b237 - Same results.

Opened all the emails I had with links to different build versions and most were dead bar CineForm 3.4.9. b193
Used this old version of HDLink converted my original M2T file into a CFHD avi and dropped into Encore – Plays without any flickering.

Tried to download a couple of build versions after 3.4 but the links are dead so can’t test it any further.



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So the long and short of it HDLink 3.4.9 b193 will convert the M2T into a AVI without causing this flicker. It displays like the fields are out of sync.

So I have 3.4 installed and I'm going to to a full test when all these files have converted but from the small scale tests I'm pretty sure its going to be fine.

4.3 and 4.2 have the flicker when converted M2t into CFHD file and exporting it to bluray. I can't test anywhere between 3.4 and 4.2 as I dont have the installer.


Its going to be another very late night!

Yes reverting to HDLink Version 3.2 has fixed the issue of flickering or wrong fields being converted from the M2T to AVI.

I'll log a support call for this as it’s a fault in the HDLink program.

I need it fixing as version 3.2 wont convert MTS files from my CX105!

This bug is actually putting me off upgrading to version 5 and even using Cineform completely. I have spent too much time on this.

/Not a happy customer.

Please see attched picture - Left clip is the AVCHD from the camera and right clip is the CFHD. See how the picture is misaligned?

At first I thought it was just the camea but after exporting it to bluray I knew something else was wrong.

Misaligned? Please work with support, as I'm not in support, and I'm not seeing any of your errors and/or understanding your report. File a trouble ticket here Support Center

David I have already logged a ticket.

You can see the edges of the car? Its got a ghosting effect over it like the frames out are of sync. Still causes the flickering in the bluray disc.

I had used 2 cameras on this shoot Sony Z1 and CX105 which is what you are seeing in the picture.

I was looking for a misalignment. That is a just an option for displaying the two fields, set to full res and it goes away, it is not the cause of your issue, plus we have always previewed fields that way. You may have you field interpolation set incorrectly, set to upper field first. Please wait for your support contact, they will have more experience helping you as this clearly an isolated issue (no others chiming in) and therefore it is of less help to others to use up forum space.