DV Info Net

DV Info Net (https://www.dvinfo.net/forum/)
-   Convergent Design Odyssey (https://www.dvinfo.net/forum/convergent-design-odyssey/)
-   -   Received the Nano/Testing/Rocks (https://www.dvinfo.net/forum/convergent-design-odyssey/240319-received-nano-testing-rocks.html)

Barlow Elton August 20th, 2009 08:52 PM

[QUOTE=Dan Keaton;1229395]
Quote:

Originally Posted by Barlow Elton (Post 1226394)
Believe me, I am aware that rendering causes the bit rate to conform to whatever the codec dictates in a FCP timeline,

however, what I've found is that unrendered high bit rate nanoFlash files do keep their original quality, even when editing in a XDCAM 422 50mbs sequence.

And I don't mean that in the sense that they look fine, but that they actually export as self-contained QT movies with the 100mbs rate....


Dear Barlow,

This is a great discovery and excellent news.

Personally, I was not aware of this.

Thank you very much for reporting this!

This discovery, combined with the other option of sending out your full uncompressed rendered timeline through HD-SDI (or possibly HDMI) to the nanoFlash, gives you some powerful options.


An update to this subject:

What I've found is that indeed you can drop a 100 or even 160mbs long GOP nano/XDR QT clip into FCP and if you let the NLE auto-conform your settings to the codec *it thinks you're working with*, (wink wink) in this case XDCAM 50mbs 1080i 60, it will allow you to export without reconforming the GOP structure of the clip (i.e. recompressing) with the exception of the beginning 15 or 30 frames of an edit/cut. (assuming you did no other image manipulation except a cut)

Sorry, that's a long-winded way of saying it won't recompress the clip unless you're altering the image (CC, filtering, transitions, etc) or you have an edit point on the timeline, in which case it has to reconstruct the GOP at that edit point.

I did some extensive testing with one of my codec torture test clips and you could clearly see where the image had been recompressed to 50mbs XDCAM and where the original (uncompressed quality) clip was left alone.

Barlow

Aaron Newsome August 21st, 2009 07:46 AM

This is why my workflow includes getting the rough cut on the timeline in FCP and immediately using media manager to create new clips for me, in a new project. Either 10 bit Uncompressed or 10 Bit ProRes422 HQ. Once I have the new project, I'm confident that the quality will remain through compositing, color grading, etc.

You need to make sure you check "Delete Unused Media" in media manager though, otherwise it will export the complete length of your original clips.

Barlow Elton August 23rd, 2009 02:58 PM

Yup, I think rough cutting in an XDCAM timeline, and then using the media manager to transcode to ProRes for final edits/corrections/outputs, etc, is a great workflow. Much easier than converting everything to ProRes from the beginning. I think uncompressed 10bit is overkill for most anything though, especially if it's a lengthy project.


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 09:55 PM.

DV Info Net -- Real Names, Real People, Real Info!
1998-2025 The Digital Video Information Network