Hi Mark. Optical Flow retiming has been in Shake for quite some time. It was introduced in Final Cut Studio 2.0, but only if you render in Compressor. If you rendered from FCP to output file, I do not believe Optical Flow was used to retime clips. It's still there in Final Cut Studio 3.0 but more apps are capable of using Optical Flow for retiming. I'm guessing that Motion and FCP can retime clips directly with Optical Flow in FCS 3.0 but I'd have to look just to be sure.

If you ever have a second, check out the Optical Flow whitepaper and do your own tests. I did. From what I can remember, it's a much more complex retiming method, using full raster predictive analysis and read ahead to know which pixels in the frame are changing and which way they're going.

I'd like to do some 60fps -> 24fps overcranked in camera and then slow that down about 50% with Optical Flow retiming (or Twixtor) and see the results. Maybe on a slow weekend I'll do that.

Dear Mark,

Over and under-cranking will be added to the Flash XDR as well as the nanoFlash.

Right.
MOTION have the Optical Flow engine too.
Rafael

...Hi Dan: If I understood your earlier posts correctly, I would need a camera capable of 60P for any overcrank.

...Hi Aaron: OK. Thanks for the heads up on this. I will check it out. I have FCS 7.0 However.

I was just suggesting that one can create some wonderful slow-motion footage in post.

Over and under-cranking will be a part of the Flash XDR and the nanoFlash.

From a policy point of view, features will be added to both units equally, unless there is a technical reason why we can't. Thus they both benefit from our development.

In fact, we use the same code base for both products.

Mark, I get the feeling that the problem with "line doubling" to take 60i material and make it 60P in the XDR would be that it takes time to do it, and there is no way the processor could do 60 nicely inteprolated lines every second - I don't know what the rendering time would be in Twixtor etc. but I doubt that it's realtime.
Aaron, I'm sure there can be good reults made from Twixtor and other de-interlacers, but there is absolutely no doubt whatsoever that it won't be anywhere near as good as proper slow motion (ie 60P).
At present you can do great slomo with the Nano and XDR by shooting 60P and conforming it in Cinema Tools, but when proper overcrank is available I think a lot of people will be very happy.
Steve

Hi Steve:
Yes. I think you are probably right about the line doubling method performed in hardware via XDR. Can you recommend a good camera which can do a proper p60 @ 1920 x 1080 full rater HD ?

I think that RED does 1080p50/60.
rafael

Red Camera 1080 @ 60p
 

Hi Rafael:
At this point the red is out of my price range. Maybe to rent on one day ?

You would be doing your RED camera a disservice if you recorded the non-REDCODE data anyway. Yes it does high frame rates, but it also has a recorder to record the high frame rates. You might use the the CD box for proxies (which really aren't necessary though).

It theoretically does 1080P/120, but only in 2k mode where after de-bayering the resolution and image quality are likely to be a bit suspect. Haven't seen it for myself though.
Steve

Hi Mark,
Standard cameras won't offer 1080p60 because is not any standard.
Capture and play would be a problem too.
rafael

After writing this I saw the the KONA 3 can record 1080p60.

Mark I can save you the time with renting the Red. I owned a Red this past spring just for the 2K 120fps and was very disappointed. At 2K the camera is only using 1/2 of the sensor and the picture quality was not up to the EX1 and the XDR that I owned at the same time. I sold the Red very unhappy in the product.

Not Good Red
 

Hi Paul:
Wow ! I'm really surprised to read this sort of feedback about a RED product ! To state a 2K camera didn't look as good as the XDR with a Sony EX-1 is also interesting. Do you think your RED camera was busted ?

No there was nothing wrong with the Red camera. At full 35mm it was very nice but that was not why I purchased the camera. 1/2 of one CMOS sensor in the Red at 2k is not up to EX with XDR or Nano from the two weeks of test I did in my studio and outside.

Believe me I was not happy taking the loss I took when I sold the camera. I was warned by knowledgeable people on this site and the Red site, but I had to learn for myself. Well lesson learned and you should rent a Red you might find out different then me but I would be surprised.

Which RED is Better off Dead ?
 

Hi Paul:
Which model of Red camera are we talking about here ?

There is only 1 RED at present, the RED One. The others are very much in dreamspace still!
I have heard the same thing about 2k from the RED. Apparently 3k looks OK though, going up to 60fps or so.
Steve

RED Vaporware ?
 

Hi Steve:
I went to the RED website and they show all these different kind of camera kits - heads-packs. Are you saying this stuff actually isn't available yet ?

Yep! The pictures look amazing don't they? But that's all they are.
Steve

Mark there is only one RED camera, the RED ONE. The Scarlet and Epic camera announcements will be later this month. Shooting 2K on the RED ONE uses a sensor cropping scheme, not the full sensor. I researched the RED pretty well before buying my Viper. This was one of the things I loved about the Viper, full sensor in all shooting modes except scope, even in scope mode it uses nearly all the sensor.

I don't know of any standard camera that can output a 1080p60 signal. The only camera that I know of that would be able to do that would be an expensive high speed camera.

Make Believe Cameras
 

Hi Steve:
I suppose there is not enough investment going into RED Cinema to complete the R & D on their new stuff. I'm in the same position with my SD Card based Solid State Digital Recorder :-( I am glad we didn't publish any pictures on the Internet of our new box design yet.

The Sony F23 will do it and so will the new SRW9000 camcorder, recording to HDCam SR. Lot of money though, and a big bit of kit to lug around the hills!
Steve

If you can afford a 9000 you don't worry about compression.

Dear Friends,

When the Sony SRW-9000 was first shown to the public, at NAB 2009, the nanoFlash was attached to the side of the camera.

We had been working with Sony for some time before the announcment. They made a very nice bracket so that nanoFlash becomes a nice attachment.

The nanoFlash is a recommended accessory for the SRW-9000. It is for recording proxies.

But, of course, we know it can be used for recording high quality images, but HDCam SR offers 4:4:4 and we do not.

Hd cam sr & accessories
 

Hi Dan:
The HDCAM SR Camcorder also records and outputs in 4:2:2. Once the XDR is uncompressed and 10 bit, then it will also be capable of online capture from the HDCAM SR Camera output as a Recorder alternative.

But as we've already heard the Flash won't be able to record the 1080/60P that the camera can also output and record to 422 HDCam SR.
Steve

Mark my Red One was 005721 purchased in Jan 09. The rest of the cameras are hype for now. I would suggest sticking with 2/3" broadcast HD camera with either the Nano or XDR. They are a proven system that pay the bills and keep the clients happy.

I know the F23 camera. I wasn't aware that it output a 1080p60. I don't know the SRW-9000 camera. I'll Google it.

It needs HKSR-102 and 103 cards and then does 1080/60P into the SRW-1 dockable recorder.
DisneyNature are using it for a couple of wildlife features in Africa along with a Phantom HD as reported here http://www.sony.co.uk/res/attachment...3895735044.pdf.
Steve

...Hi Steve: True. However regular speed shooting like that in a feature film would be perfectly acceptable to an XDR. EDIT: You could drop down to 720p 60 on the SRW 9000, then output your 60p in that format and intercut that slow mo into a 1080 timeline. Perhaps it could be matched to the 1080 ??

Nice Sony Camera Attachment for the Nano
 

...I watched the video with the English man in charge of engineering at Sony on the SRW 9000 project introduce the camera. We can clearly see there is a Nano Flash attached to he side of this wonderful camera. I can't quite see exactly how Sony has attached the Nano in this video. Can you post some pictures of this setup which shows the detail of how the Nano is attached ?

The Viper & Slow Mo
 

...Hi Aaron. Does your Viper do slow mo and if so how fast can it go ?

Dear Mark,

I searched for a photo of the nanoFlash mounted on the SRW-9000. I could not find one.

Sony built a custom bracket for the SRW-9000, using drawings we provided them prior to NAB. We did not build the bracket.

Hi Dan:
OK. Well thanks for trying to get something up. Dan, how much does the basic SRW 9000 camera package cost ?

Hi Mark-
It's one of those questions in the catagory: "If you have to ask how much..."

See photo below.

Cheers-

Yes, it uses the full sensor to do 720p60.

...Yup.......

I think the SRW9000 is around £90,000 or so, but you then need extra boards to do things like 1080/60P and dual link out.
Steve

I Want to Buy an SRW 9000 :-)
 

Hi Steve:
90,000.00 British Pounds = $ 154,735 Canadian Dollars. Cool. Where do I send the check ? I bet this is special order in Montreal ;-)