Sanyo 1920x1080 60p camcorders announced
 

Canadian press release:
SANYO Announces New "Dual Camera" Xacti All-HD Line-up for 2009

Here is another link with photos and more information:

SANYO :: Dual Cameras

Edit to add:

The pricing looks very reasonable on these models and the 1080p mode is interesting. Also the waterproof model is intriguing. It will be interesting to see tests of these models to see how they perform.

Like JVC was to HDV, Sanyo is to 1080p60 recording... The first to do so in a consumer camera!

Now let's see how the professional world will come out with a cost-effective 1080p60 camera. (but please, no rolling shutters...)

the waterproof wh1 is too cool - any word on prices ?

Where are you finding the pricing info? I couldn't spot a price.

Also, what on earth is "Face-Chasing Technology?"

You can find the pricing in here:
http://www.letsgodigital.org/en/2118...ti-camcorders/

1920x1080 60p wouldn’t look that good if the bit rate is too low but 24MBPS in not bad.

Its too bad you wont be able to make 1080 60p movies on Blu-Ray but I wonder if the PS3 will be able to play the RAW files.

Here’s some extra pictures:
Sanyo Goes HD Crazy with Five New Xacti! Live from the Sanyo HQ : Akihabara News .com

How's that possible? 1080/60p? I thought AVCHD progressive frame specification goes up to only 30p at 1080 res?

It's not AVCHD-compliant. It's AVC h.264 instead.

Why can I not find info on the size of the sensor???

Anyone know the size of the sensor???

No, the PS3 decoding AVC at 60p would lag at the 40-50 frames per second range. Unless there is a optimization of the Cell to use the SPUs during decoding, it's not possible today with all the decoding on the PPU. XviD however is the only codec able to play at 1920x1080 60p on the PS3 at 19mbps. (any higher bitrate and it would overload the buses)

But I think a Nvidia GTX 2xx series GPU or a Core i7 at 3.2Ghz would do fine with AVC at 1080p60.

A while back, I dreamed of a pro codec called AVCPRO that would record AVC to tape and be in 1080p60. It seems they've skipped tape alltogether.

1/2.5" CMOS
http://us.sanyo.com/Dynamic/news/doc...ifications.pdf

Filter size is 40.5mm diameter. Is that even a standard? Can one get step rings for this? If not would one be stuck with the Xacti lenses they are showing. I hope not. Did anyone notice the huge amount of vignetting in the pictures with the 0.4x WA lens?

1080/60p is cool. With the HDMI I am assuming HDMI capable HDTV's can handle playback at 1080/60p direct from the camcorder.

40.5mm step up rings
 

Rick,
Yes, 40.5mm is a standard filter size. And B&H lists 10 step up rings for that size lens.

Step Up Rings | B&H Photo Video

Ken

I use a 40.5mm to 43mm step up ring on my HD1000 to mount a 43mm hood. Also used my Raynox HD6600 WA (43mm mount) and it worked fine.

Really? Isnt this bigger than the sensor used for Sony EX1?

The sensors of the EX1/EX3 is quoted as ½” which is bigger. Anyway, Even the cheep HD camcorders that costs $100 to $250 have sensors that are 1/2.5“.

1/2.5" would be exactly halfway between 1/2" and 1/3" or .40" - at least it's not 1/6" like of lot of panys but I wouldn't be expecting alot of dof properties on larger sensors - that said , for the price , these cameras look very nice - let's see some samples and hope the bitrate gives some nice images

At 24 Mb/s, that's almost double what the HD1010 does, so that is VERY good news. Question is, does it maintain that data rate at 1080p30 too? Or is it only for 1080p60.

As for the 0.4x wide angle lens.... yes it does vignette considerably at full wide, however if you zoom in to 1.2x, the vignetting disappears.

The 40.5mm thread means the 1010 accessories will work on the new 2000. That is also good news.

By the way, neither the HD1010, nor the 2000 when it comes out, can hold a candle to the Sony PMW-EX1. The EX1 is an absolutely amazing, and ground breaking, camera.

Just had a quick look at the specs and wondered what size the stills are for the 12 fps sequential shooting facility? And is there a duration limit on how long you can shoot them for? Might have an application for us alternative imaging guys if favourable...

EDIT: sorry, just saw that sequential shooting: 4 mgp stills at 12 fps is only for a total of 15 photos, 8 mgp stills at 6 fps is only for a total of 9 photos. Oh well.

Reading the specification PDF referenced above, 1080p30 appears to correspond to Full-SHQ: 1920 x 1080 (30 fps/ 12Mbps)

And for 1920x1080 60i, it’s 16MBPS. Around the same as Sony’s.

Nice one John! LOL! You're exactly right though! I doubt Sanyo would have the balls to put any Xacti camera up against an EX1!

It [the HD2000] seems to be an interesting and fun camera:
-1080/60p @ 24Mb/s is cool
-External (2.5mm) mic input (Sennheiser MKE 400 whoo!)
-240fps and 600fps (web size :-P ) - interesting
-HDMI out - nice

EIS instead of OIS is a bummer, but you can't get everything, eh?

I'd love to be able to download some stills and video from it.

Anyone know the resolution for the 240fps on the hd2000 ?

answered my own question
>>The 240fps mode uses 448 x 336, and the 600fps mode 192 x 108, which isn't going to be tremendously useful most of the time. The video is then played back at 60fps, giving you 25 per cent and 10 per cent slow-mo respectively.<<

I own the HD1010 (and the EX1), but I find the motion/compression artifacts to be horrendous on the 1010. I could do without the 1080p60 if only they would offer the 24Mbps at 1080p30.

There will be no advantage to 1080p60 over 1080p30 as the compression/motion artifacts will probably be comparable. Only you will have them in twice as many frames at p60.

The 1010 is a fun little camera and while I would like the improved stills capability, without an improvement in the video quality I will not be upgrading.

I’ve played back a clip on my PS3 that I posted here http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/mpg4-sany...ml#post1014316 and it plays back extremely smoothly but there is just one problem, it takes around 43 to 44 seconds just to play back a 29 second clip. I’m pissed that it doesn’t play it at normal speed but at least I know how smooth the picture quality would look if you want to use this camera for slow motion shots at full HD resolution.

I own the Sany VPC-FH1. It's a nice little camera with the exception that the digital IS doesn't work very good.

The new Pani TM700 should be the best tiny cam this year. OIS ~~~~ yeah!

cheers
JohnG