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Dylan Couper May 12th, 2010 02:11 PM

I can't see anything here to get excited about over the current D-SLR lineup from Canon, or the impending (I hope) release of Scarlet.

Bill Koehler May 12th, 2010 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave Blackhurst (Post 1526221)
I was looking at the adapter they are supposed to release for the Alpha lenses...looks to me like it actually has a tripod mount on it.

No surprise at all - and I would expect mounting Canon or Nikon lenses would require the same, though what I had in mind was something plugged into a rail system.

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Originally Posted by Dave Blackhurst (Post 1526221)
It is possible that Sony if trying to introduce a new class of "fast" lenses if they found it just wasn't effective to try to use lenses designed for manual/stills.

No power zoom and the issues of zoom / focus / aperture noise. For the people obsessing about mounting Alpha, Canon, Nikon, <insert brand of choice> lenses, most of those will also need to record second system sound. No way is the typical consumer going to see that as acceptable.

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Originally Posted by Dave Blackhurst (Post 1526221)
While it would be nice to have focus assist, part of the whole attraction of the DSLR is the manual control of DoF... so going all "auto" is sort of counterproductive in some ways...

The average consumer wants brain dead point-n-shoot easy, and the pro cameras, as well as every DSLR out there, have it there as an option, even if you and I ignore it most of the time.

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Originally Posted by Dave Blackhurst (Post 1526221)
Also, while that mockup of the video oriented camera used a "handycam" sort of shell, it looked mighty awkward - not something that will appeal to the consumer IMO - a larger, more useful bod with appropriate manual controls would seem far more appropriate, and since this was a "test balloon", I would expect the concept to be refined before it hits the street?

Personally, I thought it looked pretty cool - the video camera body is about the same size as the lens!
I didn't think it looked any more awkward than the HDR-HC9 I already have.
Matter of fact, I thought it had a definite family resemblance.
And we certainly have been watching manual controls slowly disappear in the HDR line.

The larger more useful bod with appropriate manual controls you allude to I believe will end up being a third, yet unannounced, professional NX5U or EX style cam - something more likely to be announced at the next NAB, say. If nothing else, Sony is demonstrating the size of the camera doesn't have to explode just because the sensor size has.

Paulo Teixeira May 12th, 2010 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Dylan Couper (Post 1526266)
I can't see anything here to get excited about over the current D-SLR lineup from Canon, or the impending (I hope) release of Scarlet.

Leaving aside a camera that's going to cost infinite times more money for a fully functional interchangeable lens unit which I want badly, compared to a Canon DSLR, it should (hopefully) have far, far less aliasing and moire and not to mention far better ergonomics. I mean, this camera will be fully ENG capable out of the box.

Dylan Couper May 13th, 2010 09:46 AM

Paulo, I'm missing something then. What makes the NEX ENG capable out of the box? Actually, I'm not even sure what makes something ENG capable vs. not capable?

I don't see anything special about the ergonomics either. It's still a big chunk of box once you attach a lens to it, not remotely handy for holding to shoot video (but very sexy!)

I'm not sure what you are talking about an infinitely more expensive unit either. a Canon 7D is what... $1600 now? $1800 with kit lens? a T2i is... $800? That's pocket change if you shoot video for a living.

The big problem I see is the selection of lenses. What is there really for this camera compared to Canon and Nikon?

Again, I could be totally missing the point, but to me it looks like just one more consumer mini-D-SLR with cheap lenses and a video mode.

Paulo Teixeira May 13th, 2010 10:33 AM

Sorry, I thought you were talking about the mock-up camcorder that Sony showed.

Plus I meant a fully functional Scarlet being a lot of money.

Just a big misunderstanding.


Anyway, after looking at several clips from the NEX5 and reading up on the manual features, it's definitely no competition to the GH1 but I do see it as big competition for the GF1 as far as video goes. For one thing, the GF1's chip only outputs 30 frames per second while it get's recorded as 720 60p and the GF1 lacks a movable screen. Now who's to say Panasonic wont be releasing the GF1's successor anytime soon.

Dylan Couper May 13th, 2010 12:29 PM

Paulo - all good! I'm looking forward to seeing that mockup running too. :)

Paul Curtis May 14th, 2010 07:00 AM

There's a good video example at dpreview now. It's not bad, better than canons but you can see the effect of a stills OLPF. Amazing bearing in mind the size though. A great little crash cam! Compression is terrible as expected.

There's a rumoured NEX7 and there's the NEX camcorder on Sonys blog. The more cinema type camera mocked up was estimated at $19k with PL mount adaptor. So that camcorder looking thing would be the midrange product. Probably all based on revisions of the exmor APS-C sensor.

The E type lens is a very odd decision. One aspect that all the stills and videos exhibit is pretty poor lens performance. Bad CA and just a general mushiness. I thought i was looking at a small sensor P&S not APS-C. So without decent lenses what's the point of any of this? Who's making E type lenses?

cheers
paul

Dave Bacon May 24th, 2010 01:36 AM

Alpha mount adaptor question
 
Other than losing auto focus - what other negatives are there to using alpha lenses and the adaptor?? I'm assuming you still get apeture control and metering?? would lens based stabilization still work?? I'm guessing they could add auto focus for the SSM lenses via a firmware upgrade later. Could make this a really cool line of cameras...especially the nex7

Heath McKnight June 2nd, 2010 08:15 AM

I'm hoping to give this class of cameras a chance, especially the Panasonic and PEN E-PL1 soon, along with the Sony and Samsung offerings. I'll let you know how it goes.

Heath


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