New GY-HM850 and GY-HM890 ENG & studio camcorders
 

JVC are releasing new cameras: http://www.dvinfo.net/news/new-jvcpr...streaming.html

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Interestingly these appear to be firmly in the HD camp with no hint of a 4K version. Will that be the next iteration?

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I think these cameras are a very clever move by JVC. Maybe they want to see how 4K actually fits into the broadcast world before jumping on it.

JVC should be able to sell tons of these models. Interesting to see they have gone back to Fujinon lenses as well.

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What me surprises is these write 50 Mbps to SDHC cards? Previously this was only possible using CompactFlash cards right?

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Does the XHQ codec have 4:2:2 color? If so, this would be a "broadcast level" codec, wouldn't it?

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SDHC is perfectly capable of recording 50Mbs and more (the better cards, anyway) - the restriction has been the way the cards are formatted didn't allow for recording XDCAM422.

And that still seems to be the case - JVC Pro Technical Description (scroll down until you get to the table of codecs) - the highest bitrate for an MPEG2 codec is 35Mbs.

The 50Mbs mode is H264 - and it's well worth noting that enables a 1080p/50(60) mode.
4K seems to be following in the footsteps of HD in that first appearance is in top end cameras, next comes early adopter consumer, with "run of the mill pro cameras" following a while later.

That doesn't surprise me at all. First appearance to satisfy the high end market who are demanding the best, next for consumers who haven't got to worry about legacy, infrastructure, and broadcast standards/bandwidth. (Just plug in to suitable TV and play.)

This camera seems fairly aimed at the "budget pro" user, and lower budget TV stations who can't afford 2/3", but want something with decent form factor. As such, I think it will do very, very well, especially as it offers 35Mbs MPEG in a choice of wrapper. (And for news etc use, the XDCAM EX codec seems to be more popular than XDCAM 422 anyway.)

As far as 4K, then maybe a 4K version will come out in a few years, but it's likely to not then be with 3 1/3" chips.

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Sure, it mentions it can do 50mbps at 1080p50 and 1080p60, but it doesn't mention whether that's 4:2:2 10bit. It is the exact same as XAVC-S 4:2:0 8bit 1080p60 and 1080p50 at 50mbps.

The golden age for 1080p60 is 10bit 4:2:2 at 50mbps long GOP.

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I have to commend JVC on having so much information, including MSRP available at announcement.

Also, the HM850 addresses many of the user requests for an update of the HM700 series.

I'm looking forward to seeing sample video.

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The GY-HM600 has 1080 chips. The HM700/710/790 still have the 720 chips. I am NOT saying that the 720 chip doesn't do 1080 video, because it does. I am just curious as to why we don't see the HM600 chip set in the HM850/890 now. JVC bought a sensor / chip company in the last year and they have to be about ready to put something out... Where is the JVC DSLR? I thought that was going to be the news last year.

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I expect the 850/890 do have the same chips as the 600. They are CMOS, not CCD, so they are not the same as the 700 series.

"At the heart of the GY-HM850/HM890 are three 1/3-inch 2.07
effective-megapixel CMOS sensors, each capable of capturing full
HD 1920 x 1080 resolution images. Featuring 12bit processing, an
excellent sensitivity of F11 (60Hz) / F12 (50Hz) and a remarkable
signal-to-noise ratio, the devices provide
superior precision and color reproduction
with minimal aberration. For improved
CMOS sensor performance, flash-band
compensation is also supported."

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I really like how JVC also usually has about 5-8 high quality photos too of cameras when they announce them. You often can't find that many from a manufacture even after a camera starts shipping.

JVC Pro Product Images

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The HM600/650 have a Fujinon lens. I strongly suspect the lens on these cameras is basically the same optics, but with limited zoom range to keep it in the sweet spot, performance wise.

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I started with the 500, then the 5000, then 100, then 200 series - I've looked a couple of times at the 700 series, but never quite made the jump. JVC are still the only manufacturer really interested in studio style versions - with the really neat cradle. When budgets permit, I'll no doubt stick with them again, because all my purchases have been totally trouble free. I've no interest at all in 4K - yet.

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You have to be sure to use Class-10 SDHC cards when recording 50 Mbp/s H.264. Class-6 cards won't have the "speed capabilty" to handle the bit rate.

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The color space is 4:2:0. The codec emulates that of the Canon 5D Mk III.

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Thank you for the clarification. Basically the same as XAVC-S 1080p60 then.

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Gotta love that 20x lens. f1.6 at wide angle, and f3.0 at telephoto! The Fujinon Hts18 on my 790 is f1.4, even at full telephoto (according to the specs on B&H). With extender engaged, it's still only f2.8. The f-stop on these "broadcast" 1/3 lenses is the only thing I like about them.

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Ah I wish this came out a year ago, would have gone for it over the HM600. HM600 is a great camera I just really wanted them to put it into the 750 body, looks like now they have!

Looks like they've basically made the HM600 lens removable and stuck it onto the 850. Shame it's not a constant F stop or at the very least only a slight drop, probably the only negative aspect this camera has carried over from the 600 series.

Great to see a broadcast bit rate, some sort of high frame rate would have been nice shame the FS700 is still the only sub £10k camera with this sort of feature. For sports having a big zoom range like the 600/850 with high frame rate would be great!

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I wonder if they'll sell this w/o a lens. I'm guessing a lot of HM700 (HD100 / 200) owners might be interested in just the body.

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If the streaming tech in these cameras are anywhere near cellular bonded-resilient, that's worth the entry price. Teradek Bond is over 3 grand. I was hoping B&H showed a lower "street" price, though.

BBC should have waited before they bought 500 JVCs last year. lol
http://jvcpro.eu/video/news/1138/bbc...650-camcorder/

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On the JVC site there seems to be plenty of different lens available - so I'd guess the options will appear once initial orders are satisfied.

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I think it was stated that these were intended there as B-cameras, and for such as self-shooting by journalists - not the main cameraman's camera. Hence these being small, relatively cheap, but having the same XDCAM EX codec as the big cameras was the big selling point.

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I see, makes sense. Thanks.

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I don't remember posting that? and it say 'lol' which as far as I know, I have never use in my life as I hate text speak, apart from on text!

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You didn't - it was Tony, and I don't know how your name got crossed - I'll edit it! Sorry.

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I saw the "mis-quote", but knew it was probably just an error. No harm, no foul.
Though you may hate to use it. LOL and a few other "text speak" has been a part of the English Dictionary for a couple years now.

FYI, LOL and OMG all added to the Oxford English Dictionary.
OMG! Oxford English Dictionary adds new words - CNN.com


Personally, these new cameras hit all the right buttons for me since I shoot a lot of sports. 20x zoom, 1080 60p, SDHC/XC dual card slots, and four-channel audio with stereo AUX in. The latter is a real treat as I often need to create highlight clips of games and it saves so much time commenting during play and then finding those segments on the NLE timeline by the waveform peaks. I only wonder if you can use the WIFI remote monitoring and streaming/upload features at the same time.

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Wasn't LOL the bloke from 10cc? For a couple of years I used my old Betcam B4 lenses on an adaptor, and though with the X2 in you lost a lot of light, they were pretty good outside for the rare bit of sport I used to do. The only thing I don't like about the design is that mine live with the protective jackets on them, but almost every panel is velcro'd because there are controls and sockets everywhere - and in the dark, getting to the sockets is a bit of a faff - but unlike my colleagues, I stuck to the on the shoulder cameras, and have never regretted it. I was a slow convert to HD, and still, virtually all my output is on DVD (are you listening Mr Adobe?) so any move to 4X is going to be a long way off for me - I just don't need it.

BVE is in a couple of weeks, so maybe there will be one there to see?

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According to this - GY-HM850 and GY-HM890 - JVC Professional Europe - the answer is a definite "yes".

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Found this 16 Page Official JVC Brochure all about the new Camera:
http://pro.jvc.com/pro/attributes/CA...0131_final.pdf

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Actually, the HM600 Series camcorders have the ability to manually control the iris. Please check and see that you've turned off the auto iris function. You'll find that you can keep f3.0 from front to back.

I hope this information helps.