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Michael Wisniewski September 19th, 2005 03:54 PM

Cell phones ... the new cigarette?
 
Ok, since when did cell phones become the new cigarette? I noticed a lot of entries using cell phones as a way to give actors something to do while they were "acting". They even became part of the action.

You used them well, but just I was just tickled by how prevalent cell phones were in the shorts.

Jeff Sayre September 19th, 2005 04:10 PM

Michael:

I'm not sure if you noticed the cellphone in Gardens of Tomorrow but it played a very minor role. Even though it is visible in the final cut, I basically did not utilize it for what I had originally intended.

We used a tire pressure gauge as a high-tech nano probe injector, a small, glass picture frame as a futuristic communication device, an old cordless phone as a medical device, a $9 folding table as a lab table, and some glass vases as scientific instruments.

I like using everyday objects as unusual props. It's fun utilizing these objects in a way that makes people believe they are unique devices even though they can clearly recognize what they really are. After all, it's all about setting the mood so that your viewers can suspend their disbelief.

Fredrik-Larsson September 19th, 2005 05:05 PM

I think I might be guilty of overusing cellphones... after all we use them a lot in society today :) But the real reason was that I couldn't get enough actors in such short time so I took the easy way out and used them to make the audience aware of what's going on. So... it was a "dirty" way to deliver my message... *feeling guilty*

I figure that without the cellphones I would have to take pictures of the murder, a car chase around town, probably some shoot outs... actually things that would be quite fun to do... but they would of course need more time and I was already late on schedule.

Scott Hebert September 19th, 2005 05:46 PM

Fredrik-Larsson had both ;), (cigarettes and cell phones), he should go to cliche prison (just joking bud, i loved your video, i had a similar concept in the begining so probebly better for the bost of us i decided to go an alternative route)

Sean McHenry September 19th, 2005 06:36 PM

I used one in "Secrets" and there's one in the first shot of the new one too. Used like a regular phone these days. Could almost substite this "film device" for the old VO over a shot of someone reading or writing a letter from WWII and further back films. It's a quick way to introduce a character or idea that would otherwise remain hidden from the viewer I suppose.

Sean

Dylan Couper September 19th, 2005 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Michael Wisniewski
Ok, since when did cell phones become the new cigarette? I noticed a lot of entries using cell phones as a way to give actors something to do while they were "acting". They even became part of the action.


LOL, wait for day 5!

Jonathan Jones September 19th, 2005 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeff Sayre
We used a tire pressure gauge as a high-tech nano probe injector, a small, glass picture frame as a futuristic communication device, an old cordless phone as a medical device, a $9 folding table as a lab table, and some glass vases as scientific instruments.

Jeff, dude you're freakin' awesome! I love the creativity.
-Jon

Jeff Sayre September 19th, 2005 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Jonathan Jones
Jeff, dude you're freakin' awesome! I love the creativity.
-Jon

Jon:

Thanks! I'm afraid half of it was creativity and the other half was desperation.

Of course, after I was done editing, I realized that I truly did like the weird juxtaposition of obvious objects used in unexpected ways. I intend to continue doing that in the future!

Nick Hiltgen September 19th, 2005 10:58 PM

I know I'm one of Dylan's guilty day 5'rs. Anyone else want to fess up ahead of time?

Bradley L Marlow September 19th, 2005 11:04 PM

Nick? But did you use a camera that's talking on a cell phone?

Nick Hiltgen September 19th, 2005 11:23 PM

What I should've done was use the cell phone camera, so stupid...

Fredrik-Larsson September 20th, 2005 12:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Scott Hebert
Fredrik-Larsson had both ;), (cigarettes and cell phones), he should go to cliche prison (just joking bud, i loved your video, i had a similar concept in the begining so probebly better for the bost of us i decided to go an alternative route)

I know... I hear this godly voice in my ears... (the camera god)

Voice: Fredrik, what were you thinking?
Fredrik: uuhh..
Voice: You weren't thinking, were you?
Fredrik (blushing): eehh.. no? (giving puppy look)
Voice: What are you going to do about it?
Fredrik: a new movie?
Voice: And?
Fredrik: Without cellphones and cigarettes??! (happy)
Voice: Good!

So, yeah... I think that next one MIGHT be without cellphones and cigarettes. Secretly thinking: I can use a landline phone and cigars... he he :)

Jonathan Jones September 20th, 2005 12:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Fredrik-Larsson
So, yeah... I think that next one MIGHT be without cellphones and cigarettes. Secretly thinking: I can use a landline phone and cigars... he he :)

Why not just go for broke and write in two walkie talkies and a pinch of 'chaw'.

or maybe even two cups and a string along with a corn cob pipe.
(mmmmmppphhhhhh..

...what?

..mmmmppphhhhh...!

...what??

...[pulls face out of cup and shouts across the street] I SAID PULL THE STRING TIGHTER, I CAN'T UNDERSTAND ANYTHING YOU'RE SAYING!!!

-Jon

Fredrik-Larsson September 20th, 2005 01:16 AM

Jon, great ideas! :)

And btw, if I could vote in USA you would have my vote. You seem like an "honest" candiate. :-D

Jonathan Jones September 20th, 2005 01:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Fredrik-Larsson
Jon, great ideas! :)

And btw, if I could vote in USA you would have my vote. You seem like an "honest" candiate. :-D


Thanks...that is one of the things I hope to change when I'm King'a'here. I want to open up elections to anyone anywhere who live in a region that in some way might end up being effected by US policy - which at least under current administration seems to be anyone anywhere. Thanks for the vote of confidence...I'm slowly moving towards my hundred million votes..(real slowly)
-Jon

Stephen van Vuuren September 20th, 2005 08:21 AM

Yes, cellphones are the new cigarettes. Having entered a few short film contests as well as spent a couple of years running local film group screenings where I had to look at a several hundred of short films a year, patterns do emerge :)

(1) Guns (instant drama) - in this years 48 Hour in Greensboro, 2/3 of the films used guns.
(2) Blood (more is better)
(3) Cellphones (too bad they don't usually emit smoke)
(4) People waking up with an alarm clock at the beginning of a film
(5) Brushing teeth, looking in mirror
(6) Movies where all the cast is 20 years old but setting is government, corporate etc.

Maybe the next DV Challenge we should have everybody include the elements above "Cliche Horror! - You'll laugh, you'll cry, you'll die!"

Michael Gibbons September 20th, 2005 09:06 AM

I'm day 5 and guilty, but the celphone use IS in character.

Sean McHenry September 20th, 2005 10:04 AM

Why heck. I think I'll ad a few more cell phones and EVERYONE will smoke in my next short. So there.

Actually, that may be a bad idea after all. Come to think of it, if we eliminate all the usual stuff from the list above, like looking in the mirror, etc. I don't have anything to work with.

Ah well. Maybe my next goal will be to include all those elements in one scene. A guys got to have a goal.

Sean

Michael Wisniewski September 20th, 2005 10:06 AM

The more cliches the better, that's what I always say. Remains true whether we're talkin' movies or posts :-)

Nick Hiltgen September 20th, 2005 10:07 AM

Wow I think my film used all of those cliche's maybe I cna just clean it up and enter it again for the october contest.

Stephen van Vuuren September 20th, 2005 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Nick Hiltgen
Wow I think my film used all of those cliche's maybe I cna just clean it up and enter it again for the october contest.

Don't sweat - we all often use cliches because they are needed in our stories. I used looking in the mirror in my 48 Hour Film because I need the character to be imagining things and the mirror worked for it. Fortunately, my character was not brushing her teeth though :)

Michael Gibbons September 20th, 2005 02:54 PM

I think some of these things are inevitable, depending on what sort of movies you want to make.
It could be done I'm sure, but it would be hard to make a modern day action movie, or a WWII movie without having some guns, for instance.
Furthermore, I'm going to go outside right now to talk on my cellphone and smoke a cigarette- these are things people do, lots and lots of people. You might just as well say that it is a cliche to drive a car and/or wear clothes.

Stephen van Vuuren September 20th, 2005 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Michael Gibbons
I think some of these things are inevitable, depending on what sort of movies you want to make.
It could be done I'm sure, but it would be hard to make a modern day action movie, or a WWII movie without having some guns, for instance.
Furthermore, I'm going to go outside right now to talk on my cellphone and smoke a cigarette- these are things people do, lots and lots of people. You might just as well say that it is a cliche to drive a car and/or wear clothes.

I think there is more to it than that.. [FILM PROFESSOR RANT ON]

First, "action movies" are only one of many genres possible and there is more possibilities for stories that don't involve guns that ones that do. Second, plenty of people in WWII never saw or touched a gun in person - they have stories as well.

Last, people do lots of things everyday that you don't see in movies in the frequency you see in real life (e.g. eating a meal or wiping their butts) and despite the fact that the way we do those things reveal much more about us that talking on a cell phone or smoking a cigarette. But it's not the fact that we eat it's how we eat that is interesting. Personally, there is much more creative potential to be mined in eating, sex, personal hygiene etc. than cellphones.

Kubrick, one of my faves, frequently featured characters eating in specific situations that showed us a lot about the character. That's how you transcend cliche.

[FILM PROFESSOR RANT OFF]

Fredrik-Larsson September 20th, 2005 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Stephen van Vuuren
Personally, there is much more creative potential to be mined in eating, sex, personal hygiene etc. than cellphones.

Kubrick, one of my faves, frequently featured characters eating in specific situations that showed us a lot about the character. That's how you transcend cliche.

You said it there. It's just a matter of getting ideas to show your message. On budget you go with the cheapest.. :)

And actually... you are now rising the bar for DVC4... I know I will think a step longer to find alternative ways to deliver my message.

Stephen van Vuuren September 20th, 2005 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Fredrik-Larsson
You said it there. It's just a matter of getting ideas to show your message. On budget you go with the cheapest.. :)

And actually... you are now rising the bar for DVC4... I know I will think a step longer to find alternative ways to deliver my message.

Thinking is always cheap :) Too bad Hollywood does not have less money and more time to think...

Of course, cell phones could be used creatively as well. I'm still hoping someone has come up with a cool idea with the cameras on cell phones for DVC3...

Michael Gibbons September 21st, 2005 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Stephen van Vuuren
I think there is more to it than that.. [FILM PROFESSOR RANT ON]

First, "action movies" are only one of many genres possible and there is more possibilities for stories that don't involve guns that ones that do. Second, plenty of people in WWII never saw or touched a gun in person - they have stories as well.

Last, people do lots of things everyday that you don't see in movies in the frequency you see in real life (e.g. eating a meal or wiping their butts) and despite the fact that the way we do those things reveal much more about us that talking on a cell phone or smoking a cigarette. But it's not the fact that we eat it's how we eat that is interesting. Personally, there is much more creative potential to be mined in eating, sex, personal hygiene etc. than cellphones.

Kubrick, one of my faves, frequently featured characters eating in specific situations that showed us a lot about the character. That's how you transcend cliche.

[FILM PROFESSOR RANT OFF]

Well, I don't disagree with any of that, actually. It's just that, personally, I'm not interested in making movies of that sort. I'm not hell bent on including guns, cigarettes or cellphones either, though.

Michael Wisniewski September 21st, 2005 05:03 PM

Just so people don't take this post too seriously. Feel free to use cliches in your shorts. A tired old cliche that tells your story, will raise your vote.

In this challenge, there were several tired and old cliches, that were well used and did raise my vote ...

Dylan Couper September 22nd, 2005 09:21 AM

I said Day 5, but was off by a few films. The one to which I refered earlier is Sean Buck's "Snap" up today.


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