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Brian Boyko October 29th, 2007 09:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Barcellos (Post 766994)
Brian:

I don't know for sure, but I don't think you want to deinterlace that footage. If you do, you will probably wreck it as far as pull down removal. Why do I say that ? Not because I'm a great tech wizard, but because Cineform says don't select deinterlace when you capture and select pulldown with Cineform NeoHDV. I have captured in HDV 1080i, edited and rendered in that, and then converted with pull down in Cineform. I think you do run the risk of problem in the subsequent conversion at the cut points, or when you have a transition, but the simple edit I did that way seemed to be okay.

I may be getting my terms screwed up. JES DeInterlacer is the tool used to do the Inverse Telecine pulldown. (which, as it would happen, removes the "false" interlacing from the 24P footage)

But if you tell me you've captured HDV 1080i, edited, and rendered in that, and THEN converted with pulldown, you've told me pretty much what I need to know!

:)

That makes this project a WHOLE lot simpler if I can worry about doing the pulldown after the project is edited!
-- Brian.

Chris Barcellos October 29th, 2007 09:44 PM

What I have done to be safe in cases where you want to avoid any issues is to capture the footage, then determine which clips I want to use for sure, set them in a separate folder, and go into that and batch convert with Cineform.

Does JES actually convert HV20 footage properly ? HV20 does not have flags that other 24p has, and the pull down program has to be able to be able to detect the 24p to do it properly. That is Cineforms claim to fame, but I haven't yet heard of many others..

Brian Boyko October 29th, 2007 11:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Barcellos (Post 767004)
What I have done to be safe in cases where you want to avoid any issues is to capture the footage, then determine which clips I want to use for sure, set them in a separate folder, and go into that and batch convert with Cineform.

Does JES actually convert HV20 footage properly ? HV20 does not have flags that other 24p has, and the pull down program has to be able to be able to detect the 24p to do it properly. That is Cineforms claim to fame, but I haven't yet heard of many others..

Yeah, I just tested it out with one of my clips (and man, world of difference when it comes to the quality between 60i and 24p!)

Interestingly enough, if I can figure out a way to batch process the files, I can just batch process Tape A while Tape B is capturing...

Chris Barcellos October 29th, 2007 11:23 PM

Cool... didn't know JES did that. Of course that is MAC side, and I forgot that is your OS.

Kelly OHara October 30th, 2007 12:00 PM

The only real problem is any transitions you have in your edited footage will change the cadence, and if any are rendered transitions or multiple shots, they will show interlacing artifacts.

I've tried both methods and the best is to pass your footage through JES DeInterlacer first before editing if you intend to have 1080-24p for your final output. The interlacing is quite visible in cross-fades and a de-interlacing pass will quite likely not remove it.

If you're using FCS2, you can also recompress it all to the Apple ProRes format too, not that you'll garner better quality from the 422 colorspace, but you will lose less fidelity in the recompression.

Kelly OHara October 30th, 2007 12:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Barcellos (Post 767004)
Does JES actually convert HV20 footage properly ? HV20 does not have flags that other 24p has, and the pull down program has to be able to be able to detect the 24p to do it properly. That is Cineforms claim to fame, but I haven't yet heard of many others..

From my understanding, JES will go through and detect the cadence of the 24 in the 60i footage by checking for interlaced data on the frames (2 interlaced, three non-interlaced) and then infer what cadence it is for your target framerate (24p or 23.98p). I have had some footage that it won't detect the cadence and thereby won't convert (out of about 150 clips, two would consistently fail to convert so I had to revert to cinema tools and the manual cadence specification).

To my untrained eye, I haven't seen too much difference in playback between the two and found no interlacing artifacts in the converted footage. The only issue I've ever come across is getting the aspect ratio to work correctly when saving to a Quicktime format.

Brian Boyko November 2nd, 2007 10:13 AM

Everything seems to be hunky dory - JES Deinterlacer's doing a damn good job now that I've fixed the kinks.

-- Brian.

Katie Mims November 7th, 2007 11:01 AM

24p Capture Settings in FCS6 Help
 
Hi Everyone,

I have the Sony HVR-V1U, and I did a search on the forum to see if I could find out what capture settings work with the footage from my camera and FCS6, and didn't find much.

My question is, what capture settings work in this newer version? Can it work with the 24p footage from this camera?

Can I use the HDV 1080i60 or 1080p24 easy setup?

Or do I need to capture it and then reverse telecine it in CinemaTools? If so, what is the best codec to capture in?

Any help would be appreciated! Trying to use FCP 5 with the footage from my camera was a nightmare. I'm really hoping it's simpler in this version!

Thanks!

Sony HVR-V1U
FCS 6
MacBook Pro
2.2 Intel Core 2 Duo
2 GB SDRAM

Dom Stevenson November 7th, 2007 12:44 PM

You should be using the 1080p24 easy setup if yr shooting progressive.

Katie Mims November 7th, 2007 01:41 PM

And the pulldown will be removed? I don't need to run it through Cinema Tools or anything else like that like in the older version of FCP?

Bryan Wilkat December 13th, 2007 11:00 AM

FCP 5.1 -- capture HDV 24p?
 
i was considering upgrading to the v1, but i have fcp 5.1 and it's my understanding that i won't be able to capture 24p footage unless i upgrade to fcp 6??
if that is the case, does anyone know of other cameras which would fit into my current workflow? xha1, or hvx?

thanks in advance.

Chris Harris December 13th, 2007 12:26 PM

I'm pretty sure that's not the case. From what I understand, there's no difference in capturing 24p HDV in FCP 5.1 and FCP 6. Perhaps somebody with a little more experience capturing 24p or 24f should weigh in, but I'm pretty sure FCP 5.1 can do it.

Charles Hesman December 15th, 2007 02:08 AM

24p in FCP 4.5 HD
 
I use final cut pro 4.5 HD and it captures 24p. So I'm sure it works for all FCP's. Need to change the settings in FCP's AUDIO/VIDEO settings then go to CAPTURE PRESETS and select DV NTSC 48KHz Advanced (2:3:3:2) Pulldown. Also make sure you set your canon xha1 to film in 24 fps in (2:3:3:2) mode in menu settings before you shoot any footage. I believe the color code for this 24fps is orange.

Hope this helps.

Jerrod Cordell December 16th, 2007 02:51 AM

Well I have FCP 6, but I'm pretty sure for FCP 5 you just need to go to the Final Cut Menu, go to Easy Setup, and change it to HDV and 24fps.


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