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Simon Davies December 18th, 2002 02:09 PM

That's a very interesting point Robert. I now remember reading something in a manual about the virtues of round as opposed to square pixels. I'll check this one out.

Cheers!

Curtis T. Stoeber December 18th, 2002 03:04 PM

Wasn't the original question HOW to mixdown audio in FCP? It's under the same menu as RENDER and is titled simply "Mixdown Audio".

*Oops, misread the question*
Just export all of your audio as a stereo 48khz AIFF file. That should do the trick. You can go further by importing that AIFF file, deleting al of the other audio from the timeline, and then placing the new stereo (or mono) AIFF file into the timeline and then exporting your FCP movie.

Anyway, I find FCP excellent for audio use. My projects usually have 24 tracks or more of audio alone. I always mix for Dolby Digital 5.1 channel (making an AC-3 file using DVD Studio Pro). I have made mixes that I feel rival certain real movies. I know how to use effects and when. I also know not to overuse certain things. I'm not Gary Rydstrom or anything, but I feel that I do audio very well using FCP. I don't use FCP to record original audio or apply filters. My audio rarely needs any kind of filters. But as far as editing and crossfades, etc it is brilliant and easy.

Mark Austin December 18th, 2002 04:59 PM

V V etc...
 
<<<--since you like the audio tools in Sonic Foundry stuff so much, how do you feel about the video editing in Vegas Video? Linc Kesler -->>>

I guess I have invested enough time and money in the Mac stuff that switching ships now would probably be counter productive. I do own V V and Sound Forge, so I find myself moving audio between the two platforms (Mac/PC) fairly often. For music that's not that much of a problem really because I'm not editing my music related audio to be used in another program, just for CD output. I use ProTools for the multitrack recording, then tweak the final (post mastering) files in Sound Forge to normalize them, then I'm done one song, one file, burn a CD master done end of story.

If you consider that for sound in FCP you can't always build your complete audio tracks unless you actually build your video tracks first, it then becomes a problem. I have to load FCP get my dialog etc in, export the AIFF into ProTools add music, export to AIFF import into FCP ad nausium, until you have the final project, then export from FCP master the audio in ProTools, export to Sound Forge (on PC) to normalize, then export back to FCP for the final render.. Doesn’t that seem like a long arduous process when it could all be done from within FCP if it had a decent set of audio tools.

<<<--I'm not Gary Rydstrom or anything, but I feel that I do audio very well using FCP. I don't use FCP to record original audio or apply filters. -- Curtis T. Stoeber -->>> I could do audio really well in FCP if all I had to do was crossfades, but that's hardly "doing audio" is it? How do you record and mix those 24 tracks? And how do you sync dialog, Foley, and sound beds to your final picture from outside FCP?

<<<--Just export all of your audio as a stereo 48khz AIFF file. That should do the trick. You can go further by importing that AIFF file, deleting al of the other audio from the timeline, and then placing the new stereo (or mono) AIFF file into the timeline and then exporting your FCP movie. -->>>

This just exemplifies my point, this is a complete waste of time!!! In/Out/In/Out; it's retarded, my point AGAIN, why can't we just do this from within FCP? It's an absolutly awesome pixel pusher but without decent audio tools it's a flawed program. Maybe I'll have to eat Crow when FCP4.0 comes out, but that's one bird I look forward to!

my 2-1/2 cents
Mark



John Locke December 18th, 2002 06:16 PM

Final Effects for OSX
 
Has anyone ever used these filters before this new OSX release?

http://www.media100.com/fec.asp

Jeff Donald December 18th, 2002 07:25 PM

I wouldn't rush out and buy them until FCP 4 is released. Who knows what might be bundled with it. The $100 savings is good until 2/21/03.

Jeff

John Locke December 18th, 2002 11:12 PM

Jeff,

What's the ETA for FCP4?

Jeff Donald December 18th, 2002 11:27 PM

It's rumored to be around MacWorld SF. I don't expect it any later than Valentine's Day. I also expect to see new G4's around that same time. I don't expect any big speed increases. They'll need a new processor and the IBM chips won't be ready until fall. Several iApps are due revisions around MacWorld and 10.2.3 should be released before the end of the year. Developers will receive 10.3 (beta) at MW SF or just afterwards. Final version should be ready next summer. So much for the latest rumors

Jeff

Curtis T. Stoeber December 19th, 2002 03:48 AM

I've done "ADR" or dialog replacement many, many times. What I do is have the actor wear headphones while watching a tape of the original dialog, or from the timeline in FCP. It then records through mr. microphone to mr. minidisc or other recording device. This is done until the dialog matches, and I have had extremely convincing results. I record using minidisc usually and if I need to adjust audio I do it in any number of sound editing programs for the Mac. I agree that this could be built into FCP. Foley work is quite easy. Crossfades are basically used for music editing which I feel is best done in FCP so I can match it precisely to the timeline.

Mixing the 24 (or more, sometimes less) tracks is just like mixing anything else. Except the Mac does not have a realtime 6 channel audio output card for this (that I know of) and FCP does not support 5.1 channels of audio. So basically tracks A1-A8 are devoted to center channel, A9-12 are devoted to left, etc etc etc. The number of actual tracks depends on the needs of the project. I then would make only tracks A1-A8 active and export a mono 48khz 16-bit AIFF. I'd do this for all channels and make an AC-3 file. I write the project to DVD-RW and watch it in the "screening room" so to speak. I listen to see if any level adjustments and whatnot need to be made. Sure, it is a lengthy process, but the limitations of the Mac make it necessary and plus my computer room is not exactly audiophile quality (though it is good). Throw in the obnoxious noise that the fans in these new G4's make and it gets even worse to set levels properly in here. It usually takes anywhere from 1 day to 5 days to do a sound mix on a 5 minute project. And I love every minute of it!

Paul Sedillo December 19th, 2002 03:52 AM

It will be very interesting to see the new changes. I would expect that they will address the 24p situation (thanks to Panasonic). As we have talked about before, they REALLY need to address the audio.

Someone was telling me that it is fairly simple to upgrade a G4's processor. Is this a true statement?

Mark Austin December 19th, 2002 04:52 AM

Lovin it..
 
<<<-- Originally posted by Curtis T. Stoeber It usually takes anywhere from 1 day to 5 days to do a sound mix on a 5 minute project. And I love every minute of it! -->>>

Unfortunately, my music stuff is in a production environment so I have to get my projects done fast due to the workload I have. I don't have the luxury of taking five days to do one number. I just got a CD mastering project that is ten albums 15-16 songs each due by Jan 1st, and I have to run sessions on top of that too. If had to do my FCP projects like that I'd never get anything finished.

<<<-- Mixing the 24 (or more, sometimes less) tracks is just like mixing anything else. Except the Mac does not have a realtime 6 channel audio output card for this (that I know of) and FCP does not support 5.1 channels of audio. -->>>

The ProTools Digi 002 does 5.1 and just uses a firewire hookup, it also does 32 tracks at 24/96 and sounds great. Logic Audio / Cubase / Nuendo does the same with dedicated hardware but with no track limits (128+tracks). None of which can be used from within FCP. Projects like yours that take five days should only take a few minutes, I'm all for enjoying the "moment" but if I ever want to get to the point with video that I am with audio, FCP will have to get with the program..Time is my greatest enemy :)

On another note: yet another company gets with the audio program..
December 18 - Pinnacle Systems announced that it has entered into a definitive agreement to acquire all of the stock of Steinberg Media Technologies (Cubase/Nuendo) AG based in Hamburg, Germany. Steinberg specializes in digital audio software solutions for consumers and professionals.
These people obviously see the need to get the proper audio tools to be first rate.

Pick up a copy of Mix magazine, it's loaded with great info on audio recording tools. It's the holy grail of audio magazines.

Simon Plissi December 19th, 2002 05:08 AM

I wouldn't bother with them. We had a copy were I used to work an I only ever used two of the effects, Zoom Blur & Light Sweep. At one point they were the "must have" filters for After Effects but since then many similar effects have been integrated within After Effects itself and Final Cut. And there are also many cheaper plug-ins available which produce similar effects for the ones you're most likely to use. They're really over priced too.

As for rumours, well, as Mac users it's our stock in trade.

Surely Apple will start to integrate some of their acquired audio and post-production know-how into FCP. Wouldn't damage their specific product lines if they were to beef up the audio, which is a must for FCP anyway, and compositing in FCP. But who knows with Apple.

Simon Plissi December 19th, 2002 05:18 AM

<<<-- Originally posted by Paul Sedillo
Someone was telling me that it is fairly simple to upgrade a G4's processor. Is this a true statement? -->>>

I believe so. I know someone who tried it, even though he eventually sent it back for a refund because it was faulty. If he could do it then anyone could. Whether it's worth it is another matter. Apple do make it hard for these kinds of upgrades. One can't just swap G4 processors and expect it to work. The upgrade manufactures also have to write new firmware updates for major OS updates to allow the new chips to be recognised by the motherboard/OS. So, you will be at their mercy to constantly write upgrades to allow the chips to work.

Paul Sedillo December 19th, 2002 05:23 AM

<<<-- Originally posted by Simon - X :
I believe so. I know someone who tried it, even though he eventually sent it back for a refund because it was faulty. If he could do it then anyone could. Whether it's worth it is another matter. Apple do make it hard for these kinds of upgrades. One can't just swap G4 processors and expect it to work. The upgrade manufactures also have to write new firmware updates for major OS updates to allow the new chips to be recognised by the motherboard/OS. So, you will be at their mercy to constantly write upgrades to allow the chips to work. -->>>

That would make sense. I spoke with Dell Computers today and inquired about upgrading my laptop processor. After the representative quit laughing, he said that the only upgrade available is a new laptop. <shook my head in disgust>

Paul Sedillo December 19th, 2002 05:26 AM

John,

Have you seen the plug-in's from Buena Software:

http://www.buena.com/eefcp.html

Henrik Bengtsson December 19th, 2002 05:51 AM

Geforce 4 on Mac?
 
Anyone here purchased a non-Mac specific Geforce 4 MX/Ti card for OSX? Im looking at getting me a new card since i want to be able to run 2 screens with minimum of hassle.

Any tips on what card to buy would be greatly appreciated.

/henrik

Jeff Donald December 19th, 2002 07:52 AM

NVIDIA and ATI battle it out for Mac video cards. Unless your playing games or doing high end 3D graphics you don't need too much muscle to run FCP and 2 monitors. In the ATI line I would be looking at the 8500 http://mirror.ati.com/products/mac/r...0me/index.html This card won't break the bank and has more than enough power to run 2 monitors, FCP and do some basic 3D work. NVIDIA counters with the GeForce 4 MX http://www.nvidia.com/view.asp?PAGE=geforce4mx Either card card should do what you need unless 3D animation is your main business.

The card you purchase must be for the Mac. PC cards to not have Mac drivers and the firmware is different. Video cards are platform specific.

Jeff

Henrik Bengtsson December 19th, 2002 08:03 AM

Yes, they are specific when they leave the factory. But most videocards can be re-flashed with the proper BIOS. (This was true for both Geforce2 and Geforce3).

I will have a serious look at the 8500 though since as you mentioned, it's not that expensive.

Thanx for the info,
Henrik

John Locke December 19th, 2002 08:11 AM

Paul,

Nope...hadn't seen those before. Thanks for pointing them out. There are a couple I really like to get my hands on and play with.

Looks like one more thing for Santa's list.

Curtis T. Stoeber December 19th, 2002 05:32 PM

You seem to think that since I said that my projects can take up to 5 days, that ALL of them take 5 days. Not the case. The only reason it takes so long is because I spend so much time at my real job. I don't spend 8 hours a day mixing audio. Also, with the setup you describe, there is no way that it would only take me a few minutes worth of work. It would be drastically reduced, yes, but not THAT much. :)

Jeff Donald December 20th, 2002 07:00 AM

Archiving Projects on DVD
 
I've just started using DVD-10 (dual sided, flip disc) media to archive my completed projects. I burn the finished video on one side and on the other all the elements and media. This works for small projects. I'm still using hard drives for large projects and billing the client.

Jeff

Nathan Gifford December 20th, 2002 08:39 AM

Yeah Jeff, I don't see how DVD can yet be used for backing up DV: it just too compressed. The way disks are getting so cheap, it might be cheap enough to copy to a small hard drive and then put the drive on the shelf somewhere....

John Locke December 20th, 2002 08:48 AM

Does plain data get compressed also on DVD? I always thought that data goes in as is, just like on a floppy.

Curtis T. Stoeber December 20th, 2002 11:48 AM

It does. That's why he said it works for small projects. I don't think he's trying to fit an hour of DV on one side.

Jeff Donald December 20th, 2002 02:11 PM

You can put commercial spots, and other short projects on 1 side as a DVD (MPEG 2) and the raw foootage, graphics, music etc can go on the other side. Program on 1 side, elements on the other. One nice, neat bundle.

Jeff

Jeff Donald December 20th, 2002 05:46 PM

A Holiday Present for Mac Users !!
 
My Holiday gifts to all the Mac users here. Jeff's Top Ten Shareware and Freeware Programs and links to download.

1.) Launchbar - 3.2.6 http://www.versiontracker.com/morein...id=2409&db=mac

LaunchBar offers an amazingly intuitive way to control your computer. Just type a few letters of what you intend to do and LaunchBar will do it for you.... Even before you can finish your thought of what to do next - it will be done....... You just hit Command-Space to attract its attention, enter a short, abbreviated description of what you're looking for, and a sophisticated, adaptive evaluation algorithm immediately offers the best matching choice from a list of thousands of possibilities. Start applications, open documents, invoke system services, compose emails or navigate the web - LaunchBar will be your essential servant.

2.) Chimera - 0.6.0 http://www.versiontracker.com/morein...d=14326&db=mac

Chimera is a new project aimed at delivering a best-of-breed browser on the OS X platform. Chimera uses Cocoazilla, a variant of Fizzilla that consists of a UNIX back end wed to a Cocoa front end. The cross-platform UI will be replaced with native Cocoa widgetry (such as customizable toolbars and a drawer for the sidebar). The plan is to produce only a browser (no other apps!), and to keep the UI as simple and as clean as possible.

3.) SpeedChimera - 2.0 http://www.versiontracker.com/morein...d=17113&db=mac

SpeedChimera allows you to take advantage of speed increase in Chimera by enabling HTTP pipelining in Chimera 0.6. SpeedChimera also provides a GUI that allows you to tweak many hidden preferences and modify standard Chimera preference


4.) Chimera Chameleon - 1.2 http://homepage.mac.com/maran/

Chimera Chameleon is a simple utility that allows you to quickly change the color scheme of the Chimera Navigator interface. The Chameleon comes bundled with six different color schemes, and thirteen additional ones are also available for download from this site.


5.) iPulse - 1.01 http://www.versiontracker.com/morein...d=17033&db=mac

Using its concise and visually pleasing graphical user interface, iPulse displays a multitude of information about OS X on the desktop or in the dock. The entire UI is completely configurable so you can turn off gauges you don't want, leaving only what you are interested in for easy viewing.

iPulse's Gauges:

* CPU activity (single and dual)
* System load
* Network activity
* Memory activity and usage
* Disk usage
* Current time and date

6.) Minimize in Place http://www.mcgavern.com/mac/mip/index.php

Instead of minimizing windows to the dock it minimizes to the finder (desktop). This feature was removed from Mac OS 10.2 Jaguar after build 6C48, and now you can have it back! MacTech has created an installer that will automatically install all the files needed to enable this feature again.

7.) TimeDisc - 0.2.2 http://www.versiontracker.com/morein...d=16934&db=mac

TimeDisc is an analog clock that uses colored segments instead of hands.

* user selectable colors
* variable size and appearance
* put it on desktop level or above everything else
* make it click-through so it doesn't get in the way
* display seconds in one of two user selectable styles
* hide dock icon
* menu bar clock with full color or icon style clock, weekday, time and date
* select any clock pulse between one and sixty seconds
* reduce process priority
* switch off window shadow
* select any ranking of time units (e.g. hours innermost, then seconds and minutes last)
* use random color selection
* free
* source available

8.) DesktopCalendar - 0.60xa http://www.versiontracker.com/morein...d=17159&db=mac

DesktopCalendar is a tiny application that changes your desktop into a calendar. It also shows today's date on the menu bar.

9.) CopyPaste X - 1.5b11 http://www.versiontracker.com/morein...d=12795&db=mac

One of the early wonders of the Mac was its revolutionary ability to do copy and paste across various applications. Unlike other areas in the Mac's system software that have changed and progressed over the years, copying and pasting has not evolved. How many times have you found yourself going back and forth copying in one application and pasting in a different application, wishing to yourself that you could copy 5-10 items at a time, then go to another application and paste each of these items.... CopyPaste-X gives you: Multiple Clipboards Clipbord Archive Clipboard Stack Clipboard Palettes Clipboard Editor Clipboard Tools Save Clipboards Through Restarts CopyPaste Uses Contextual Menus, Key Commands and Drag and Drop CopyPaste is incredible useful for anyone who wants to accomplish more with less effort.

10.) Searchling - 1.1 http://www.versiontracker.com/morein...d=17198&db=mac

Searchling is a free, quick and unobtrusive way to access your favorite search sites in MacOS X. Once running, Searchling appears as a small icon in your menu bar alongside your other menulings. Click the icon and a small text field and two pop-up buttons will appear. Enter your search and hit return...poof, you've got results in your favorite Web browser.

* Convenient web searching -- in your menubar
* Hot key support
* Configurable search sites/types
* Automatic update checking
* Sweet fade-out effect

11.) DockFun! - 3.6 http://www.versiontracker.com/morein...d=13495&db=mac

The power of Mac OS X's dock... to the tenth power! DockFun! is a tool to run infinite different Dock, without losing the original simplicity of the Dock. Hopefully, DockFun! will not only increase your productivity, but also be a cool application. You can have a dock for internet applications, a dock for Utilities, etc. Further more every dock has it's own size position and properties, so you can have the dock of Internet on the right side of the screen so that makes more space to your browser window... but you can have also a useless dock with huge icons a great zoom effects for show to your friends how much MacOS X rocks!!! Version 3 has an amazing user interface... you won't be able to live without it on you desktop!!!

12.) Net Monitor - 2.9b5 http://www.versiontracker.com/morein...d=11677&db=mac

Net Monitor graphs network interface throughput in a floating window, the Dock or the Menu Bar. Net Monitor controls PPP connections, including status reporting.

13.) Synergy - 0.3 http://www.versiontracker.com/morein...d=17100&db=mac

Synergy is a tiny Cocoa application that puts three buttons to control iTunes in your menubar: previous track, next track, and play/pause. These controls, together with the ability to control iTunes via system-wide hot-key combinations, mean that Synergy provides the fastest way of skipping between songs when using the keyboard or the mouse; all this without having to switch to iTunes, or accessing its Dock menu.
With other iTunes "remote control" applications you have to give up some screen real-estate to accommodate a floating window, or you have to navigate into a menu extra so as to access the features. In contrast, Synergy, allows you to skip between songs simply by flicking the mouse into the menu bar and clicking one of the buttons. It also offers the ability to assign system-wide hotkeys (for example Command-F11, -F12, -F13) for the play/pause, previous track and next track buttons). Synergy won't take up precious space in your Dock as it appears only in the menubar.


That's it. You got 3 extra because of the extra apps that help Chimera. Enjoy and feel free to post any programs that you feel are useful.

Happy Holidays

Jeff

John Locke December 20th, 2002 07:07 PM

You are THE MAN, Jeff! These are great! I downloaded about ten of them...still trying to get Synergy to work...but the others are fine.

Here's one I can't live without...

iChoose - http://www.versiontracker.com/morein...d=12872&db=mac

Dick Walton December 20th, 2002 07:55 PM

2 button mouse
 
Would someone (or ones) suggest a brand/model for a 2-button mouse with scroll. I'm presently in transition from Premiere/G3 PowerBook to FCP/TiG4.

Thanks!

Curtis T. Stoeber December 20th, 2002 08:39 PM

I can't be without my MicroSoft Intellimouse Explorer. I think that's what it's called. It's PC and Mac compatible. The "simple" one with a left and right click plus scroll wheel is plenty for me. No need to go for the thousand button version that costs a billion dollars. Requires software install to work in OS 9, but not in X... right click and scroll wheel work fine in that OS natively! FCP seems to ignore the scrollwheel in both OS's, though.

John Locke December 20th, 2002 10:28 PM

Jeff,

Any advice on Synergy? That's actually the one I'm most interested in. The system wouldn't allow me to put the "prefpane" file in the system library folder, so I put it in my user library prefpane folder. When I open up system prefs and click to adjust the settings, nothing happens. I have 10.1.5.

Here's a request to any Mac users out there...does anyone know of any apps that do the following?

1. puts a shortcut to a Sherlock search in the menu bar (similar to Searchling above)
2. speaks the time

I used to have two programs with OS9 that did those things, and they were great. But I can't find an OSX update for them. The time app had a very natural sounding female voice and could be set to announce every quarter hour, half hour, or on the hour.

Matt Stahley December 20th, 2002 10:29 PM

jeff are you using an internal superdrive and DVD SP?

Ken Tanaka December 20th, 2002 10:45 PM

Dick,
I use a Wacom Graphire tablet (USB) with my TiBook. It comes with a 2-button+scroll-wheel mouse as well as a stylus. The tablet/stylus is very handy for use with FCP (et.al.). The mouse's functionality is indispensible. So for about the price of just a mouse you get...

Jeff Donald December 20th, 2002 10:49 PM

You may need to run Disk Utility and Run first Aid and repair the Disk Permissions on your startup drive partition. Also install the program I sent you after fixing the permissions.

Jeff

Jeff Donald December 21st, 2002 08:16 AM

I've done it both ways. I find the internal burner (self installed A03) more convienent. I use DVD SP for most authoring. My wife uses iDVD. I use Toast to burn the data.

Jeff

Jeff Donald December 21st, 2002 09:02 AM

I'm not such a Mac snob that I don't appreciate a good Microsoft product when I see one. The Microsoft Trackball Explorer is such a product http://www.microsoft.com/hardware/mouse/tbe_info.asp I use a trackball for many reasons, speed, efficiency, customization and health. I have a torn rotter cuff that I'm getting repaired shortly. I never could have edited these past 6 months without a trackball. My father (81) has shoulder problems also and is able to use his iMac only because of his trackball mouse. I personally believe a trackball provides a healthier computing experience. It also works fine in OS 9xx and OS X

Jeff

John Locke December 21st, 2002 06:24 PM

Is anyone using the ShuttlePro mouse? Looks nifty...but I've never had one actually in my hand to see how it performs.

John Locke December 21st, 2002 08:16 PM

Animation help
 
I'm thinking of animating my opening logo a bit. You can see it as it is now by clicking the link below:

http://zchildress.com/sursumwho/sf_169_opslate_240.mov

As you can see, the film reel in the background is static...so I was thinking about making it slowly spin.

The reel is a separate layer in PhotoShop. I'll use FCP for editing. So, my question is...how would I do it? (big question, huh?)

My guess is that I make flat TIF images of the image after using TRANSFORM>ROTATE each time. The thing I'm not clear on is, what percentage angle should I alter the reel each shot? Also, when I import all these images into FCP, what duration should I give each shot?

Jeff Donald December 21st, 2002 09:28 PM

How many seconds per revolution?

Jeff

John Locke December 21st, 2002 10:13 PM

Good question...I hadn't thought of that yet. I guess 3 or 4 seconds would be the pace I'm wanting...but I'm not sure if that might look too choppy.

Jeff Donald December 21st, 2002 10:20 PM

Four seconds is good. Simple math. four seconds X 30 frames per second =120 frames ÷ 360º = 3º rotation.

Jeff

John Locke December 21st, 2002 10:36 PM

Doh! That is pretty easy, Jeff...too easy...so I couldnt' see it.

I also just realized something...if I import it into FCP as a PSD file with layers, I can just assign keyframes to that layer and set the rotation. That means 120 keyframes in a four second clip...is that even possible?


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