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Chris Hurd October 8th, 2008 07:37 AM

Language is no excuse for misspelling a name... I can properly spell Recep Tayyip Erdoğan, Nicolae Ceauşescu, and Ferenc Puskás even though I can't write or speak Turkish, Romanian, or Hungarian.

Peter Moretti October 8th, 2008 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by David Garvin (Post 948048)
Clearly you are not correct. If that spec "obliterates" canon, then there would have been zero need for Red to completley redesign the Scarlet. None.

Scarlet's baseline couldn't compete with what Canon is releasing and that's why the specs are changing. There's nothing wrong with Red changing their specs and trying to keep up and compete and even possibly trump the current crop of DSLRs. I have no issues with that at all. But to claim that Red is going to obliterate Canon is pure hyperbole. Especially when your evidence of what obliterates Canon are specs that Red itself decided weren't going to be able to compete in a way that they had hoped.

David, if you read a few posts up, you'll see that I'm refering to Canon's current crop of video cameras. Not what you think might becoming out.

Lauri Kettunen October 10th, 2008 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Don Miller (Post 947618)
I don't think RED makes any chips. They ordered the sensor from someone with expertise.

You are not the first one to make such a claim. Many people have speculated which label is there on the sensor. But Jim Jannard has said explicitly it's a RED sensor and that the sensor program is a key part of their design. Personally have no reason to believe anything else.

Peter, yes RED is opening their new site somewhere near Las Vegas. But they are also opening a site near London. European camera owners will send their cameras to the audio hardware update --free update including shipping costs plus some other smaller hardware updates-- to this new branch office in England.

Having used the camera for 6 months and although I'm targeting to 1080p still find the head space given by the 4K format more than useful. Consequently, shoot most of the time 4K, and employ 3K or 2K only when need higher fps.

Don Miller October 11th, 2008 04:32 PM

I don't doubt that it's a custom sensor built to RED's spec. I wasn't say they were using someone's standard sensor. But as I said somewhere in this thread, even Jannard has said their primary asset is software. When a company has sensor experts and works with a fab to make their own design, I would say they are making their own sensor. But that's a long way from the hundreds of millions of dollars Canon has spent on sensor development. RED's actual cost per sensor is likely more than the retail price of the 5DII.

If Canon builds a 4K APS-C size sensor for video, it might have much better low light performance than the 5DII. It would have huge photosites compared to current DSLRs. But this is speculation, as we don't know how Canon goes from a 21mp sensor to 2mp for 1080.

I'm sure on the low end - Scarlett - RED is trying to not get stepped on by the Japanese elephants. They need to position Scarlett correctly.

RED must have big plans. I don't see how they could ever make a decent ROI in the Cine digital area. They don't charge enough. Scarlett must be critical to profitability. I hope they know what they're doing. I would really like RED to shake up the conservative imaging companies.

For users it's all good.

Don Miller October 11th, 2008 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter Moretti (Post 947743)
Like Mr. Mullen said, I don't believe Canon or Nikon have any interest in directly challenging Red for the digital cinema market. But Canon must for the high prosumer maket, b/c that's where the XL's and XH's live. If Canon doesn't do something, Scarlet will kill them. Well there is another wildcard... I wonder how this whole financial crisis has effected Red? Hopefully not much.

Does Canon even make a 2/3" 3 CCD camera? If not, they will likely come out with a single CMOS design with lenses for that market. How does RED compare to 2/3" CCD cameras used for television?

Chris Hurd October 11th, 2008 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Don Miller (Post 949746)
Does Canon even make a 2/3" 3 CCD camera?

No.

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Originally Posted by Don Miller (Post 949746)
If not, they will likely come out with... lenses for that market.

Already done:

Canon's HD Electronic Cinema FJs Prime Lens Series


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