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Wendy Daniel October 7th, 2005 09:55 AM

fujinon 20Xs lens
 
I also have the fujinon 20xs lens and we were going to buy two more and get converters for them all, just to have all the same lens and 4 more times the zoom power. Two questions: first, will that lens work for HD or should I wait for a true 20Xs HD lens? I did scim through the posts, but I am wondering if there is any new advancements since the camera is now out.

Second, if I kept two of the 16X lens that came with the camera and only used the 20xs lens on one of the cameras, what would be the difference in picture quality? (besides the extra zooming)

Thanks,
Wendy

John Jay October 7th, 2005 06:23 PM

Late into this thread but...


anyone remember Canons pro Hi-8 offerings from the early 90s?. In the UK they were known as EX1 and EX2 Hi, in the US maybe called L1 and L2.

Well they were 1/2" CCD cameras and they had an EF converter in the accessory list, which meant they could use Canon SLR primes and zooms.

Now my thinking is; if that old EF converter can be tooled for a JVC mount and if the dimensions are such that the FFD can be accomodated then it should be possible to access all those Canon SLR family lenses or even those rather nice Sigma APO LD that are out there.

Wouldnt that be nice?

John Mitchell October 8th, 2005 08:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tim Dashwood
Just over 7x if you are comparing 1/3" FOV over focal length to 35mm SLR photography. It is around 4.4X if you are comparing FOV of 35mm motion picture photography.

And it get more complicated if comparing to modern DSLR's which have a built in cropping factor of 1.4 x over traditional 35 mm, therefore about 5x compared to a DSLR like the D70, and remember some lenses are only designed for this FOV.

I'd be interested to hear if the results were good resolution wise, because geometry type problems should almost disappear. Not sure about CA.

Yusuf Thakur October 8th, 2005 10:16 AM

Nikon Lens
 
Can one post pictures on this forum, I can post some comparitive grabs. We shot the same scene with exactly the same lighting and setup just changed the lens, from standard to nikon with the adapter. The results I guess would be helpfull to those looking at doing this. (Mounting Nikon Lenses)

Michael Maier October 19th, 2005 01:32 PM

Yusuf , It would be great to see them. If you can't post, could you email them to me? Thanks.

Yusuf Thakur October 19th, 2005 10:59 PM

Lens Pics
 
Hi Micheal,
I posted these three/four days back, I think you have seen them, below nis the link

http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=52880

John Mitchell October 20th, 2005 07:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yusuf Thakur
Can one post pictures on this forum, I can post some comparitive grabs. We shot the same scene with exactly the same lighting and setup just changed the lens, from standard to nikon with the adapter. The results I guess would be helpfull to those looking at doing this. (Mounting Nikon Lenses)

I'm sure Chris could post them for you - I have seen many posts where he offers to do this. I think you can PM him.

Yusuf Thakur October 20th, 2005 08:41 AM

Pics
 
I have already done that, with links pls check this in the forum
http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=52880

Yusuf Thakur October 20th, 2005 08:42 AM

Sorry Guys
 
These are not the frame grabs but the setup, will post these on Saturday.

Michael Maier January 3rd, 2006 10:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barry Green
I didn't get the hard copy, but I had read them online, and that's where I got the 80-to-100 lp/mm figures for regular (2/3") lenses...

And we should all keep in mind -- this gives us something to do until the camera comes out, but it's all theoretical. The proof will be when we actually test the darn thing. If it looks great, I won't care whether the MTF or lp/mm hold up! ;)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barry Green
Doing some calculations with Graeme, it looks like the lens will need to resolve at least 133 line pairs per millimeter in order to deliver the full resolution possible from the JVC's 1280x720 chip.



I know this is an old thread, but I got to it while researching about the HD100 lens and saw this comment. I find it hard to believe normal 2/3" lenses resolve 80-100 lp/mm when Zeiss Digiprimes resolve only 56 lp/mm. I’m sure the Digiprimes will be sharper and better than any 2/3” lenses out there.
Based on this fact, I also find the found 133 lp/mm for the HD100 a weird number. If the 2/3” 1920x1080 Cinealta get the best results with a 56 lp/mm lens, I don’t think the 1280x720 HD100, even if 1/3”, needs almost 3 times more resolution at 133 lp/mm.
Just speculating, but something tells me the numbers in this thread are somewhat off.

Earl Thurston February 17th, 2006 07:07 PM

BUMP. Just figured I'd revive this. Does anyone have any new reports on using alternate lenses on the HD100? (Not so much the 13x option, but 1/2" lenses or others?)

I've been trying to dig up info on other options myself. There is one I was wondering about, a lens for the GY-X3 and Panasonic AJ-D215 cameras: T14X5.5BRM. It's one of the few native 1/3" lenses I could find. Certainly an older model, but someone out there might have one they could try. The big questions are: does the quality hold up for HD, and is the 1/3" mount the same as the HD100?

Mike Tapa March 30th, 2006 04:40 AM

MTF (modulation transfer function)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Michael Maier
I find it hard to believe normal 2/3" lenses resolve 80-100 lp/mm when Zeiss Digiprimes resolve only 56 lp/mm. I’m sure the Digiprimes will be sharper and better than any 2/3” lenses out there.
Based on this fact, I also find the found 133 lp/mm for the HD100 a weird number. If the 2/3” 1920x1080 Cinealta get the best results with a 56 lp/mm lens, I don’t think the 1280x720 HD100, even if 1/3”, needs almost 3 times more resolution at 133 lp/mm.
Just speculating, but something tells me the numbers in this thread are somewhat off.

The numbers are not off but its the way you use them.
Testing a lens for MTF performance usually involves projecting an image through the lens from a graticle, onto a screen and the MTF is then measured by a sensor.
A figure of 80%-99% (the measured difference between the black and white portion of a line pair)
would be thought of as reasonable measured at the centre.
When people say that the Zeiss resolves only 56 lp/mm this is not strictly true. In actual fact the Zeiss can probably resolve around 200 lp/mm.
The figure of 56 lp/mm only refers to the standard by which HD lenses are measured and , hence the graticle that is used during MTF testing.

Incidentally, the standard for 35mm motion picture lens testing is only 20 lp/mm, However when I was at Optex we used a 40 lp/mm standard.

I hope this makes things a bit clearer.


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