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Nate Weaver February 3rd, 2006 01:22 PM

Most of the clips that I've seen that I know were on the reel have what I'd consider now (now that I've spent a lot of time with the camera) to be excessive edge enhancement. I suspect the the HD100 would look superb for a film-out with Min detail.

In general, it seems the larger the display (whether film, or electronic projection, or 50" plasma) the less edge enhancement you want. Conversely, if you're downconverting to SD for display on the average 19" set, the "Normal" detail setting would probably look great.

Andrew Young February 3rd, 2006 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Nate Weaver
Most of the clips that I've seen that I know were on the reel have what I'd consider now (now that I've spent a lot of time with the camera) to be excessive edge enhancement. I suspect the the HD100 would look superb for a film-out with Min detail.

Hi Nate,

Yes, a lot of the material on that reel looked way over enhanced. Based on my experience so far, I would agree with you about the detail setting. What I shot with detail off looked better to me, but felt a bit soft. I'm working on a new piece and will use the min setting and this time I will push the colors more - since a number of people didn't like the correction I did.

Jim Giberti February 3rd, 2006 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Andrew Young
Hi Nate,

Yes, a lot of the material on that reel looked way over enhanced. Based on my experience so far, I would agree with you about the detail setting. What I shot with detail off looked better to me, but felt a bit soft. I'm working on a new piece and will use the min setting and this time I will push the colors more - since a number of people didn't like the correction I did.


Andrew, the footage we shot of Apollo Ono this week was with detail set to minimum and it looks almost 3D in some shots with out any of the exaggerated highlights I saw in initial tests.

I've only had the camera for a week so there wasn't a lot of time to get it down but I'm happy with the detail there and after reviewing the scenes in the studio I'm also bumping the color up a bit to match the CC I did in FCP.

I'm just pushing a broadcast deadline and I'll post a bit of that graded footage this evening.

Hey...can you spare some Gorilla glue?

Tim Dashwood February 3rd, 2006 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Andrew Young
Hi Tim,

I think Stephen told me yours were the night shots with the gun wielding troops. If that's the case, I thought they looked quite good. Enough shadow detail and good blacks. The reel it was a part of was a mixed bad of shots - some impressive and some sketchy (though the same can be said for my material!). Many shots suffered from the default detail setting (like my stuff) and there were some ugly examples of chromatic aberration. Stephen used the reel as an opportunity to discuss some do's and don'ts. Sorry I wasn't able to meet you.

I'm sorry I wasn't able to make it.
The S.W.A.T. Team stuff was mine. I was using my "Ciné Wide" setting on 0dB with the stock lens + 0.82x converter. Key/fill was a 4x4 Kino Flo with 5600K bulbs rimmed by a 5K tungsten with 1/4 CTB from about 70 feet away on the roof, exposure was ƒ2.8 at 1/48th shutter.
I'm glad the blacks were still black and not muddy. This shoot was part of promo trailer for a film in pre-production and is destined for standard def DVD. Therefore we wanted a sharp 35mm look for our action sequences and (believe it or not) the detail setting was actually set to +4 !!! It looks quite good on HD and in the SD downconvert, but I wonder if this was obvious in the film out? On that shoot I fluctuated between detail -6 and +4 depending on the scene.

And thanks again Stephen for adding my stuff to the reel.

Andrew Young February 3rd, 2006 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Tim Dashwood
...we wanted a sharp 35mm look for our action sequences and (believe it or not) the detail setting was actually set to +4 !!!

Wow, I can't beleive it - and yours was one of the few ones that I didn't have detail problems with. Maybe the low key lighting changed the dynamics - there weren't a lot of edges to focus on. Just a theory.

Your low latitude recipe seemed to do the job well, of course, I didn't have anything to compare it to. I'll have to do some split screens to compare different settings.

Stephen L. Noe February 3rd, 2006 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Nate Weaver
In general, it seems the larger the display (whether film, or electronic projection, or 50" plasma) the less edge enhancement you want. Conversely, if you're downconverting to SD for display on the average 19" set, the "Normal" detail setting would probably look great.

I've seen this in my experimentation as well. At the event they had various HDTV sizes with camera's connected to them. I was talking with some of the others about detail and as we experimented with the settings, the small screen's benefitted from added detail and the larger screens benefitted from less detail. I don't know if you could get away with the detail off. We'll soon see. The next gig is commercial work and I hope to shoot dual HD-100's with completely different detail settings (albeit the same scene file and whitebalance). I'll try detail off opposed to detail -3 unless someone has a better suggestion for this scenario.

we'll see...

Stephen L. Noe February 3rd, 2006 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Tim Holtermann
Stephen,

Any chance you will post some of these clips for us to download and view? I went to the JVC event in LA but didn't make the Chicago one - well it's a bit far ;)

I picked up a JVC HD100 yesterday so I'll go shoot some stuff this weekend. I'll try to post various examples at different settings at some point this weekend of early part of next week.

I'll post a wmv (I know the mac guys cringe) and an SD DVD ISO for anyone to burn and get a look at it. First I'll have to find some more web space to put the files up. The 4 Gigs of space from last month have dried up.

Tim Dashwood February 4th, 2006 12:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Stephen L. Noe
I'll post a wmv (I know the mac guys cringe)

WMV is fine for the mac guys (using the free flip4mac wmv plugin for quicktime http://www.flip4mac.com ) as long as it is WM9 series, not 10. WM10 codec doesn't seem to work on the mac yet.


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