JVC 720 apple editor?
 

http://www.avid.com/products/media-C...itor/index.asp

Looks like avid will now support dhv on mac?

on the show floor right now. Apple is demoing HD100 24P in FCP, but calling it for 'an imminent release'.

Of course no comment on when!

Jeff, I wonder if the new Avid Media Composer will capture HDV 24/p?? It should it starts at $5k. Not cheap.

I undertand that Avid now edits GOP splicing in HDV like in FCP. That should help speed things up.

From what I understand it does 24p. I wonder, for the price, the difference between avid xpress pro and media composer for the laptop? besides better hd support. DO yo know if it comes with the mojo sdi?

Based on past Avid pricing i bet not. They usually sell Mojo separately or in a package called Xpress Studio. (Includes audio board, EFX sfotware etc) The main difference I can tell is that Media Composer has this collaboration module called Interplay, that allows editors to see what other editors have changed to timelines, bins, efx etc. I you don't collobarate with other editors and stations then I bet Xpress Pro HD does 95% of what you need.

Avid Xpress pro HD will still edit HDV, DVC Pro HD for the PC and I think Mac HD will have few more presets than PC. Hopefully v 5.5 will be able to edit HDV 24p from JVC 100. It currently does DVC Pro HD 720p but I have yet to hear specifically that it does long GOP 24p. Hopefully it will.

XDCam, P2, but overall both Composer and Xpress will both work with Mojo SDI. But the Mojo is so overpriced, $2,500!!! (Just my opinion) Aja and black magic are so much more affordable.

Cheers

Except, of course, on Avid you don't have the choice to go with AJA or Black Magic because Avid will not recognise those boards.

That is absolutely right. I wish they would change their mindset about adopting more of an open standard, ie injest/output cards. It took them years to get to the point where you didn't have to use their hard drives. I really thought they would come out with a more competitive offering to Apple FCP and Adobe Premiere (Both adopting we make the software and you scale to the best hardware) and pricing.

They missed an opportunity to really appeal to smaller shops and indie film makers. I have been on Avid since 1993. That may have to change.

but....They do have the mojo and the new sdi mojo. however.

What is kinda nice is I get the impression that the laptop media composer will accept the adrenaline firewire plug in for more power. I dont know if this is true but if it is -they just came a long way.

Although I use both I have preferred avid for some time now and, except for the price, I am excited to see what they will have in store for the next year.

To have a full HD/SDI, firewire mojo on a laptop with media composer software is awsome. It's basically a portable studio HD studio. Now to put that on the new mactel laptop- now that's a spicy meatball!

I just wish you could put more than 2 gigs of ram in it.

Although the Portable HD part is really cool I'm not sure that the Mojo SDI is HD/SDI, I think it is only SD/SDI... I need to double check. Which means you could output to DigiBeta. Otherwise you need a converter from SDSDI to HD/SDI in both directions.

I'm an old dog and I will probably always prefer Avid for it's media management alone is super solid.

I'm an old dog and I will probably always prefer Avid for it's media management alone is super solid.[/QUOTE]

Ament to that brother. Organization is very important. However doesn't SDI carry HD? or can you only do that with component??

I would hope the new mojo can do all the connections.

Avid Mojo SDI
 

http://www.avid.com/company/releases...spro_avid.html

I'm pretty sure based on this press release that when they refer to SD and not HD that it is SD/SDI.
Mojo pretty much has been a standard scaled I/O since the beginning. I also I'm pretty sure that DVC Pro HD and HDV is handled IEEE 1394 firewire for I/O.

Maybe next year..
Cheers...

Amazingly, at the Avid both today I was told neither Liquid V7 nor 5.5 will support 24p from the JVC! If these guys were right, I find this bizzare. Equally bizarre were their reasons. None of then knew JVC was MPEG-2 complient in their 2:3 pulldown mode -- although I do give credit to the Avid guy who knew the Canon's 24F was even more exotic.

They did know about the work arounds, yet could not explain how tiny companies could support 24p when Avid has had 24p nearly forever yet could do it for the JVC.

Either there is something political going on -- or both Apple and Avid want to do 60p support -- with 24p as part of it. That really does make sense, but it is frustrating to keep being put-off.

Steve, You probably know as well as I do those guys are full of shiznit. Liquid 7 edits the 24p film workflow all the way through film out. I gave a demonstration at the Chicago ProHD user group meeting in March of all the JVC workflows (HDTV, DVD and Filmout) in all of the available frame rates the camera can produce. Capture to edit on the timeline to dump back to tape (deck or camera) for JVC's 24p. Avid should know and be touting that Liquid is the only editor that can do it (currently) without a transcode or outside helper apps. JVC knows it for sure. I've demo'd it for their rep in Chicago at SMS.

S.Noe

BTW: See if you can find James Daniels (JVC) who has seen the workflows with his own eyes.

I'm very surprised that both Avid and Apple didn't have 24p close to shipping solutions for the HD 100. I guess developing presets and workflows for all of these new baby HD cameras no mention (All four of them encode and handle 24 frames differently) all pratically in the same year was too much for them. So maybe they are waiting for the target to stop moving...and relying on 3rd parties to firgue it out.

Stephen, On Avid's website I could of swore that they said in the tech specs for Liquid v7 that it supported 25p but not 24p (sorry I don't have the link I'll double check)
And that Liquid didn't support 24p capture from tape for the 100. Maybe Avid hasn't updated the info. I'm not familiar with Liquid though.

Hi David,

They haven't updated their info. 24p film workflow and dump to tape with Liquid 7. I demonstrated it in March for JVC and the members of the Chicago ProHD user group. Also I cut a film on Liquid and had it transferred in February. Somehow Marketing and Engineering don't talk to each other.

http://www.avid.com/products/liquid/techspecs.asp

Hey there is a Liquid v 7.1 and it mentions JVC Pro HD metastream. What is that??? And capture from tape. I had to look into dark corners of Avid website to find this. I didn't see any press releases.In fact Liquid 7 isn't listed on Avid's HD page.

Stephen, I this what you were referring to in v 7.1?

Yes David. Liquid 7.1 is end to end for every framerate ProHD has to offer. You may have looked too deep in Avid's site because Liquid is right on the main product Page Click here.

Here is JVC's compatability chart as of last year. Now 7.1 brings all framerates in and out. I LOVE the compatability and the freedom of delivery formats and the mastering capability with the HDV all in it's native format (ie FAST in to out).

Thanks Stephen. One more question, do you know if 7.1 is shipping now??

I'm going to order their trial. Thanks for the info!!!!

Cheers,

Yes, It should say 7.1 right on the disk.

Has anyone out on the NAB floor been able to confirm whether or not the forthcoming Media Composer software-only release will allow ProHD 24p capture from the HD100? Now that we know AXP 5.5 still isn't going to do it- I'd be willing to just bite the bullet and upgrade to MC if it will.

We know that? Where did you read that?

The PR says: "The software supports native HDV and DVCPRO HD for acquisition, editing, and output; real-time effects and 2:3 pulldown insertion over FireWire;"

as well as: "HD and improved format support for Mac OS X systems – supports new 10-bit uncompressed SD and native DV50 formats as well as HDV, DVCPRO HD, and Avid DNxHD;"

and: "New film and pulldown support for Mac OS X systems – enables editors to capture 24p footage to disk transparently over FireWire, via normal and advanced pulldown, without the need for third-party applications or transcoding."

Anybody has a specific information that denies the support for 24p?

Read Steve Mullen's post on the first page of this thread from yesterday. Beyond what he heard directly from Avid's rep at NAB- the lack of ProHD 24 support is plain as day in the specs for AXP 5.5 on avid.com. Just go to the AXP main page and click on "tech specs" on the left hand pane, then scroll about a third of the way down to see the HDV project types. Here's what's listed:

Native HDV: 1080i/59.94, 1080i/50, 720p/29.97

That means no PROHD 24 capturing support for 5.5. The only way to work with 24p footage from the HD100 is to capture it in another app, convert it to DVCProHD, and import to AXP for editing- just as it currently is now with AXP 5.3 and 5.4.

What I'm hoping, though, is that the new MC will support it. The documentation for it isn't as clear. Avid lists 720p 24 as a workable project type- but doesn't distinguish whether it's HDV or DVCProHD specific. Has anyone tried to confirm this yet?

I read that. There have been instances of sales guys saying one thing and reality being very different. Also, the 'AXP main page' only refers to the current PC-based product. Unless there is an official announcement or spec sheet, saying that now we know is just a rumor. I realize that you just might be right... but let's hope not. :-)

No, you may be looking in the wrong place- the "Tech Specs" page is updated for version 5.5, and includes all of the information for the Mac version. Actually, the section that has the project types/frame rates in it is under the heading "Equally powerful on the Mac and PC, and the subheading "Here are just some of the features added to the Mac version of Avid Xpress Pro 5.5"

There is no 720 24p mode for HDV listed- just 29.97. There are also a couple of threads on the avid user forum confirming that there will be no 24p or 25p support for ProHD users. Our filmmaking brethren in Europe are mighty ticked off. Last December, Avid's support staff had predicted 25p support for the HD100 by 1st Q. of 2006, now it looks like they won't even have it in the 2nd Quarter.

This is nothing new. Avid didn't upgrade to a Windows XP compatible version of AXP until 2003- two years after its release. They're just now getting around to going High Def for Mac users about a year after all the other major editing platforms did. Staying "ahead of the technological curve" has never been one of Avid's top priorities with the Express Pro line.

Anyways- I don't want to lose sight of my actual question, since there's really no reason to believe at this point that AXP 5.5 will offer 24p support for the HD100- what about the new Media Composer?

Thanks Jake... I missed the updated page.

Trust me- I take no pleasure in bearing this kind of bad news. I was hoping, just as you were, that they'd support ProHD at 24p with this release.

Another tidbit over at the Avid forums- (and this is just rumor- the mods are gone over there because they're at NAB...) is that the Xpress Pro product line may not see another major release after 5.5. The folks over there are expecting Media Composer's new software-only package and the various editions of Liquid to take over the Pro and Prosumer users respectively going forward. We'll see if there's any truth to that in the coming days, hopefully.