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Originally Posted by Brian Ladue

Based on the above info, can the scene files posted on this site be used for a successful film out? ....True Color, panamatch?

Hi Brian,

Adam Wilt and I are involved in testing these and other settings, however, due to the realties of our schedules it has been a slow process. My apologies for that. I can only say that I have seen reasonable filmouts from the camera default setting from well exposed footage and the question we are trying to answer is how much better can we do. Unfortunately, the HDV compression scheme doesn't leave a lot of wiggle room.

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Originally Posted by Brian Ladue

Based on the above info, can the scene files posted on this site be used for a successful film out? ....True Color, panamatch?

Yes, the scene files can be used with a sucessful film out. I was most impressed with Tim's "Warm" scene file. That scene file was before Panamatch and TC3 existed. Now we are working on a Panamatch to Vision 2 project. The scene files you mention are viable for a filmout project. You really should perform your own film transfer using your expected workflow and your camera settings to really know what you're getting as a resultant film. As an independent film maker on a budget you can be assured that the film transfer will not be grossly off in quality as to detract from the impact of your story.

S.Noe

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Originally Posted by Andrew Young

Hi Thomas,

In order to learn anything valuable about your settings in a filmout test you need to know not just whether or not it looks like garbage, but more important, what kind of garbage it looks like.

Sure, there are technical issues that can be measured within the digital and photographic realms, but to know if you are actually going to like your image there is no substitute for taking some footage through the exact same process it would go though for your final filmout. Slide film and printed photographs both have very different characteristics from the negative and positive stocks used for filmouts, so your results may have no more baring on reality than simply looking at your footage on a poorly calibrated monitor. Believe it or not, motion also has a huge impact on how things look. It you're simply trying to see how your footage holds up big, find a video projector to hook it up to (we do it for free). But if your trying to judge settings, a filmout test is the only reliable way. You'd be surprised how many setups you can squeeze into a minute.

If you're really sold on the economy of still frames that's fine, but do them on an ArriLaser using the same filmout stocks and workflow. Then you can cut them, mount them and project them to your heart's content. Just make sure the footlamberts and color temperature of your slide projector are within SMPTE spec.

Another no cost way to get a feel for the look is to screen filmout tests from different cameras. We screen them every week, if you're ever in New York.

Ok thanks for the feedback. I wasn't sure if it would work well or not. I knew in graphic design the same things were pretty much true. We were taught to always print cross section samples on the printer and medium of our final destination to check to see how exactly it would look. I kind of thought the same rules would apply here as well but like I said it was just a goofy thought.

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Originally Posted by William Hohauser

One day there will be a setting called "Videolike".

Don't laugh - that day's already here! In fact, I'm preparing to shoot a scene that requires a TV in the background (a news broadcast) - I figured I'd have to shoot this w/another camera, perhaps a HVX, to get that interlaced look. Any thoughts on how to achieve this with the JVC?

It's kind of wierd, but I think someday regular standard-def VHS cameras will be worth a lot of money, sort of like old key boards are now, for that 'classic' look.

This thread is very helpful to us hopefuls (as in, we hope we'll need a film-out!).

john
evilgeniusentertainment.com

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Originally Posted by John Vincent

Switch to DV. Looks like video to me!

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Originally Posted by William Hohauser

Switch to DV. Looks like video to me!

Believe it or not, that never occurred to me! Sometimes I forget that the camera can even shoot DV... Thanks -

john
evilgeniusentertainment.com