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Mark Silva October 5th, 2006 05:50 PM

BR-HD50...A solid reliable deck on all counts?
 
We're looking to get rid of a troublesome Sony DSR-50 dvcam deck.

I was thinking of replacing it with a BR-HD50.
I confirmed with a local rental house it will take the wide dv-cam tapes
and I understand it reads dvcam only but will read/write MiniDV and HDV
among other things.

I do recall reading a few threads about reliability issues.
Has this been addressed and nixed once and for all with the latest firmware?

I definitely don't want to buy one then find trouble with it. I'm not looking for any trouble, just a good solid deck that works and performs to specification.

Stephen L. Noe October 5th, 2006 06:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Silva
We're looking to get rid of a troublesome Sony DSR-50 dvcam deck.

I was thinking of replacing it with a BR-HD50.
I confirmed with a local rental house it will take the wide dv-cam tapes
and I understand it reads dvcam only but will read/write MiniDV and HDV
among other things.

I do recall reading a few threads about reliability issues.
Has this been addressed and nixed once and for all with the latest firmware?

I definitely don't want to buy one then find trouble with it. I'm not looking for any trouble, just a good solid deck that works and performs to specification.

Mark,

The deck is worth it if you're going to use it day in and day out for regular production. It is a standard deck for DV/DVCam (a la Panasonic equivalent) and does HDV1 I/O without a hitch or hiccup in my experience. I think it's a little overpriced @ $3000 (which is what I paid). You can probably get it for less now.

Mark Silva October 6th, 2006 10:10 AM

Thanks Stephen.

Any idea where it could be had for less?

B&H has it for 3,100

Stephen L. Noe October 6th, 2006 10:28 AM

I think B&H's price is 2750 now.

Antony Michael Wilson October 6th, 2006 11:54 AM

I wouldn't say solid and reliable on all counts. It does not work particularly well via RS422/analogue for HDV1 Avid capture. Even with the correct Avid deck template and BRHD50 firmware version (1.04 upwards) it can take a lot of fiddling for the deck and Avid to communicate. More alarming is the lack of TC accuracy - the deck itself is only accurate to +/- 1 frame and the Avid RS422 implementation is also only accurate to +/- 1 frame, so you have to check those conforms thoroughly...

Mark Silva October 6th, 2006 02:30 PM

I'll be using it only with FCP 5.xx

as long as it plays back dvcam, minidv and the hdv tapes from our hd100 properly, thats all i care about. we'll likely never lay back to it.

Amos Kim October 9th, 2006 01:33 PM

I heard it can't play 24p for some reason.

Carl Hicks October 9th, 2006 02:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Amos Kim
I heard it can't play 24p for some reason.

This is not true. It would be kind of silly for us to build a camera with real 24p and then build a deck that did not support it. The BR-HD50U can record and play all of these formats:

720/24p, 720/25p, 720/30p, 720/50p, 720/60p, 576/50p, 480/60p, 480/24p, 480/60i, all on standard DV tape, large or small.

It can also play DVCam.

Regards, Carl

Amos Kim October 10th, 2006 01:47 PM

im sorry, it was the lower portable model that cant play 24p.

Mark Silva October 10th, 2006 03:48 PM

I'm really close to buying and have another question.

Can you insert edit with fcp onto an HDV tape with this deck?

you would have to black the tape first with timecode to get this to work wouldn't you?

Speaking of timecode, can you get a timecode window dub out of this deck?

Carl Hicks October 10th, 2006 10:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Silva
I'm really close to buying and have another question.

Can you insert edit with fcp onto an HDV tape with this deck?

you would have to black the tape first with timecode to get this to work wouldn't you?

Speaking of timecode, can you get a timecode window dub out of this deck?

Hi Mark,

No, this deck will not do an insert edit on HDV. I don't know of any decks that do.

Regards, Carl

Mark Silva October 11th, 2006 09:51 AM

how does it output back to tape then?

and can it do a timecode window dub?

Carl Hicks October 11th, 2006 06:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Silva
how does it output back to tape then?

and can it do a timecode window dub?


You just do a digital cut, in the assemble mode, from your NLE. Or, just hit play/record on the deck, and hit play on the NLE.

Yes, it will do a window dub.


Regards, Carl

Laszlo Horvath October 13th, 2006 08:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Carl Hicks
This is not true. It would be kind of silly for us to build a camera with real 24p and then build a deck that did not support it. The BR-HD50U can record and play all of these formats:

720/24p, 720/25p, 720/30p, 720/50p, 720/60p, 576/50p, 480/60p, 480/24p, 480/60i, all on standard DV tape, large or small.

It can also play DVCam.

Regards, Carl


Carl please help me out here.
Q1: I can't control this VTR from Canopus Edius 3.62. I can capture and write back .m2t files trough firewire, but I need control the VTR manualy. Something wrong with the setup, or the VTR is not ready for Edius 3.62?

Q2: How can I reset the timecode. Right now I need unplug the powercable to reset TC. I thing that's redicoulus. Can you tell me the right way?

Q3: This is about my brand new 17" JVC HD monitor. I know this forum about the HD100, but I think this question is related to the camera)
I just bought the 17" JVC HD monitor and so far so good. But when I play back 720/30p with the BR-HD50 VTR (recorded with the HD100a) the monitor show 720/60p Also the book came with the monitor (B stock) show only play back 1080/24 I can't find nowhere about 720/24p display function. (i didn't tried 24p yet, but soon I need shoot 24p for my client) Can you give me some informations?

Thanks: Laszlo

Erik Walth October 13th, 2006 09:39 AM

Re: Edius
 
Hi Laszlo

I´m using Edius and it works just fine for me. Generic HDV and MPEG capture with full control from the capture window. Must be your settings. Remember the deck is recognised as : Microsoft AV/C Tape subunit device NOT as JCV deck. The deck must also be turned on before you start Edius.


Regards Erik

Laszlo Horvath October 13th, 2006 10:48 AM

Thanks Erik!

But still not working. Only manually.

Laszlo

Wade Spencer October 13th, 2006 11:02 AM

I'm considering purchase of this deck...my only concern is that I will be using it occasionally to record a live switched feed from a Sony Anycast. Does this an audio input level adjustment? I see that is has audio meters, so I'm assuming that you can see the level when you are sending an audio signal, but is there any input level adjustment for it?

Thanks!

Carl Hicks October 13th, 2006 03:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Laszlo Horvath
Carl please help me out here.
Q1: I can't control this VTR from Canopus Edius 3.62. I can capture and write back .m2t files trough firewire, but I need control the VTR manualy. Something wrong with the setup, or the VTR is not ready for Edius 3.62?

Q2: How can I reset the timecode. Right now I need unplug the powercable to reset TC. I thing that's redicoulus. Can you tell me the right way?

Q3: This is about my brand new 17" JVC HD monitor. I know this forum about the HD100, but I think this question is related to the camera)
I just bought the 17" JVC HD monitor and so far so good. But when I play back 720/30p with the BR-HD50 VTR (recorded with the HD100a) the monitor show 720/60p Also the book came with the monitor (B stock) show only play back 1080/24 I can't find nowhere about 720/24p display function. (i didn't tried 24p yet, but soon I need shoot 24p for my client) Can you give me some informations?

Thanks: Laszlo

Hi Laslow,

Sorry, I can't help you Canopus questions. Please consult with them.

Regarding your monitor question: On the component connector, the BR-HD50 outputs the following signals: 720/60p, 480/60p, 1080/60i, or 480/60i. For example, if you have footage that is shot in 720/24p, or 720/30p, it is converted to one of the output modes so that the monitor can display it. It sounds like you have the deck set for 720/60p output. In this case, regardless of the recorded format, the monitor is seeing a 720/60p signal.

Thanks, Carl

Laszlo Horvath October 13th, 2006 06:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Carl Hicks
Hi Laslow,

Sorry, I can't help you Canopus questions. Please consult with them.

Regarding your monitor question: On the component connector, the BR-HD50 outputs the following signals: 720/60p, 480/60p, 1080/60i, or 480/60i. For example, if you have footage that is shot in 720/24p, or 720/30p, it is converted to one of the output modes so that the monitor can display it. It sounds like you have the deck set for 720/60p output. In this case, regardless of the recorded format, the monitor is seeing a 720/60p signal.

Thanks, Carl


Thanks Carl. That's fine but I'm surprised this monitor show 720/30p or 24p footage only in 720/60p mode. JVC well known for 720/30p HDV.

"Q2: How can I reset the timecode. Right now I need unplug the powercable to reset TC. I thing that's redicoulus. Can you tell me the right way?"

Please let me know how can I reset the TC.

Thanks: LASZLO

Dave Beaty October 15th, 2006 02:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Amos Kim
im sorry, it was the lower portable model that cant play 24p.

We found the CU-VH1US-P HDV portable will not display 24p on the LCD monitor, but it does indeed output the 720p24 on the Firewire port. So you can capture from it AFAIK. It's no good for logging in the field, it does not read TC correctly.

This may be a cheaper alternative feed deck, if you don't need to see proper TC format on the display.

Dave Beaty

Carl Hicks October 15th, 2006 03:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Laszlo Horvath
Thanks Carl. That's fine but I'm surprised this monitor show 720/30p or 24p footage only in 720/60p mode. JVC well known for 720/30p HDV.

"Q2: How can I reset the timecode. Right now I need unplug the powercable to reset TC. I thing that's redicoulus. Can you tell me the right way?"

Please let me know how can I reset the TC.

Thanks: LASZLO

Laslow,

Most HD monitors are expecting a signal of 720/60p or 1080/60i, so that's what the deck outputs.

Regarding time code: Setting to zero is simple: Either go into the Time Code menu, or as a shortcut, push and hold "User 2" and "Stop" together for a few seconds.

Regards, Carl

Laszlo Horvath October 15th, 2006 09:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Carl Hicks
Laslow,

Regarding time code: Setting to zero is simple: Either go into the Time Code menu, or as a shortcut, push and hold "User 2" and "Stop" together for a few seconds.

Regards, Carl


Thanks Carl, I know that's the way on the camcorder.
But I asked on the HD-50 VTR.

Laszlo

Laszlo Horvath October 16th, 2006 03:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Laszlo Horvath
Thanks Carl, I know that's the way on the camcorder.
But I asked on the HD-50 VTR.

Laszlo


OR, anybody know the trick resetting the TC? (on the HD50 VTR)


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