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Dave Beaty November 1st, 2006 06:44 AM

JVC DR-HD100 vs FE FS-4Pro
 
Does anyone know if the new Focus Enhancements harddrives are the same thing as the rebranded DR-HD100? The specs look very similar with the exception of a 100GB version.

supports Quicktime HDV 720p30

We are purchasing one of these units and it seems like they would work.

Thanks

Dave Beaty

Tim Dashwood November 1st, 2006 06:55 AM

The only difference I know of is that the DR-HD100 has "J" control for JVC specific control and talk-back features.

Basically, you can see in the viewfinder the status of the DR-HD100 and how many minutes of recording are left.

Cosmetically, the DR-HD100 says "ProHD" on it.

Carl Hicks November 1st, 2006 11:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tim Dashwood
The only difference I know of is that the DR-HD100 has "J" control for JVC specific control and talk-back features.

Basically, you can see in the viewfinder the status of the DR-HD100 and how many minutes of recording are left.

Cosmetically, the DR-HD100 says "ProHD" on it.

The DR-HD100 has the following advantages over the FS-4:

1. Status in the viewfinder/LCD monitor - you can see in the viewfinder how many minutes are available on the drive, and you can see what mode it is in. This assures you that the drive is getting a good signal, and that it is rolling when it's supposed to.

2. Power Management - when you turn the camera off, the drive will shut off as well


3. Split Record - allows you to program the camera so that one start button will roll only the tape, and another start button will roll only the drive.


Some nice features that are worth the small difference in price.

Regards,

William Hohauser November 1st, 2006 11:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Carl Hicks
The DR-HD100 has the following advantages over the FS-4:

1. Status in the viewfinder/LCD monitor - you can see in the viewfinder how many minutes are available on the drive, and you can see what mode it is in. This assures you that the drive is getting a good signal, and that it is rolling when it's supposed to.

2. Power Management - when you turn the camera off, the drive will shut off as well


3. Split Record - allows you to program the camera so that one start button will roll only the tape, and another start button will roll only the drive.


Some nice features that are worth the small difference in price.

Regards,

I have the FS4HD Pro and purchased it over the DR-HD100 for only one reason: I didn't want one more thing on the camera when I do handheld which has been 80% of my filming so far. The extra cable is rarely a nuisance and the weight on my belt isn't noticable at all. Once the drive is set to record with the tape it's pretty much foolproof, just an occasional look down to see the battery status.

Otherwise the DR-HD100 is probably a better way to go especially for the integration that Carl mentions.

Carl Hicks November 1st, 2006 11:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by William Hohauser
I have the FS4HD Pro and purchased it over the DR-HD100 for only one reason: I didn't want one more thing on the camera when I do handheld which has been 80% of my filming so far. The extra cable is rarely a nuisance and the weight on my belt isn't noticable at all. Once the drive is set to record with the tape it's pretty much foolproof, just an occasional look down to see the battery status.

Otherwise the DR-HD100 is probably a better way to go especially for the integration that Carl mentions.

The DR-HD100 does come with a belt clip as well. Or, you can mount it on-camera with various brackets.

Scott Harper November 1st, 2006 02:36 PM

Does the DR HD100 support 24p?

Tim Dashwood November 1st, 2006 06:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scott Harper
Does the DR HD100 support 24p?

Yes and no.

It will capture m2t files exactly the way a program like DVHSCap would. Therefore, any frame rate, inlcuding 720P24 will record as m2t. I haven't actually tested 480P60 or 576P50 yet, but will get around to that.

If you are referring to the real-time quicktime encapsulation for FCP 5, then only 720P30 will work. However, Focus says they are working on 720P24 QT support.

Scott Harper November 1st, 2006 08:29 PM

That sucks. I guess I'm going to wait on that purchase then.

Dave Beaty November 2nd, 2006 06:52 AM

Thanks for the info Carl and Tim.

Rolling the DTE and tape simultaneously is huge...as is seeing the DTE status in the viewfinder.

Does anyone know if the current JVC DR-HD100's out there have the firmware to record Quicktime 720p30 or will we have to order that sperate software I read here about.

IOW, Has JVC/FE integrated this patch into the current model?

Dave Beaty

William Hohauser November 2nd, 2006 11:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave Beaty
Does anyone know if the current JVC DR-HD100's out there have the firmware to record Quicktime 720p30 or will we have to order that sperate software I read here about.

IOW, Has JVC/FE integrated this patch into the current model?

Dave Beaty

That's a question Carl Hicks can answer best. If JVC supplies the support for the DR-HD100 then all is well as long as they don't imitate the upgrade policies of Focus Enhancements.

If I get another HD series camera in the near future (and I might, fingers crossed), I will purchase the DR-HD100 instead of the standalone FS4HD Pro, although I know I can use the FS4HD I have now with other HD cameras if those come into my possession.

Carl Hicks November 2nd, 2006 08:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave Beaty
Thanks for the info Carl and Tim.

Rolling the DTE and tape simultaneously is huge...as is seeing the DTE status in the viewfinder.

Does anyone know if the current JVC DR-HD100's out there have the firmware to record Quicktime 720p30 or will we have to order that sperate software I read here about.

IOW, Has JVC/FE integrated this patch into the current model?

Dave Beaty

The HDV 30p Quicktime file format is now included standard in new shipments of the DRHD100 units.

Regards,

Carl Hicks November 2nd, 2006 08:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tim Dashwood
Yes and no.

It will capture m2t files exactly the way a program like DVHSCap would. Therefore, any frame rate, inlcuding 720P24 will record as m2t. I haven't actually tested 480P60 or 576P50 yet, but will get around to that.

If you are referring to the real-time quicktime encapsulation for FCP 5, then only 720P30 will work. However, Focus says they are working on 720P24 QT support.

Focus knows there is high demand for 24p quicktime HDV support on the DRHD100. They are working hard to finalize it.

John Mitchell November 21st, 2006 09:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Carl Hicks
The DR-HD100 has the following advantages over the FS-4:

1. Status in the viewfinder/LCD monitor - you can see in the viewfinder how many minutes are available on the drive, and you can see what mode it is in. This assures you that the drive is getting a good signal, and that it is rolling when it's supposed to.

2. Power Management - when you turn the camera off, the drive will shut off as well


3. Split Record - allows you to program the camera so that one start button will roll only the tape, and another start button will roll only the drive.


Some nice features that are worth the small difference in price.

Regards,


Carl - I'm not getting ANY of these things (just purchased a DR-HD100). Is there some trick to making it work with the GY-HD101E? We are selecting JVC mode on the DR-HD100 and at the moment all our tests have been run in DV format using Avid OMF. It seems to roll fine, but no feedback in viewfinder, no powering up with camera (haven't tested the split recording mode). All I see in the viewfinder is the normal tape remaining time.

Firmware revison for my camera:

SYS CPU - C1590 - VO401
CAM CPU - C1591 - VO202
VTR CPU - C1594 - VO114
ENG CPU - L1187 - VO205

PS any tips on how to use in tapeless mode? do you have to set timecode on the DR-HD100 to int or is there still timecode on the firewire from camera?

Thanks


John

Carl Hicks November 21st, 2006 10:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by John Mitchell
Carl - I'm not getting ANY of these things (just purchased a DR-HD100). Is there some trick to making it work with the GY-HD101E?

There are a few menus in the "Others" menu of the camera to take a look at.

Quote:

We are selecting JVC mode on the DR-HD100 and at the moment all our tests have been run in DV format using Avid OMF. It seems to roll fine, but no feedback in viewfinder, no powering up with camera (haven't tested the split recording mode). All I see in the viewfinder is the normal tape remaining time.
Viewfinder feedback should be there. The power feature is power down, not up.


Quote:

PS any tips on how to use in tapeless mode?
set mode in camera "others" menu to split slave or syncro slave.

Quote:

do you have to set timecode on the DR-HD100 to int or is there still timecode on the firewire from camera?
Timecode comes in thru firewire from the camera.

I'm not a service person, so I can't check your firmware versions. What I can tell you is my personal experience, which is that when the GY-HD100U camera and DRHD100 have current firmware versions, all of the features I described in my post above do indeed work. I don't know if the HD101E is different in that regard.

You should consult with JVC tech support in your country to get assistance with the proper set-up.

Regards,

Hayk Paul November 21st, 2006 10:58 PM

Can you mount the FS-4 on the camera like the DR-100?

Carl Hicks November 21st, 2006 11:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hayk Paul
Can you mount the FS-4 on the camera like the DR-100?

Yes, you just need the right mounting kit. There is one for customers with IDX brackets, and one for customers with Anton Bauer brackets. Consult your JVC Pro reseller.

John Mitchell November 22nd, 2006 05:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Carl Hicks
You should consult with JVC tech support in your country to get assistance with the proper set-up.

Regards,


That would be great if there was any. So far the only person I can talk to is the chief engineer at JVC-Hagemeyer, but his exact words were "I'm not very familiar with the DR-HD100" ....

All servicing in Australia is handled by third party.

thanks anyway Carl,

I'll perservere

John

John Mitchell November 28th, 2006 08:02 PM

Hi Carl -

I'm following up with JVC in Australia, but apart from the split record function, none of the others are working.

We have the right firmware revision, so I'm wondering this - is there another part of the A upgrade that must be implemented (apart from firmware) for the unit to work correctly?

It does state in the manual that the GY-HD10x must have the "A" revision. While I've had my firmware upgraded, the hardware hasn't been touched.

Carl Hicks November 28th, 2006 09:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by John Mitchell
Hi Carl -

I'm following up with JVC in Australia, but apart from the split record function, none of the others are working.

We have the right firmware revision, so I'm wondering this - is there another part of the A upgrade that must be implemented (apart from firmware) for the unit to work correctly?

It does state in the manual that the GY-HD10x must have the "A" revision. While I've had my firmware upgraded, the hardware hasn't been touched.

Hi John,

Sorry, I don't know. You'll need to continue to work with JVC tech support there.

Also: have you checked the firmware version of the DR-HD100 to see if it is up to date? Check this website for instructions:

http://www.focusinfo.com/support/downloads.asp#expand

Brian Duke December 15th, 2006 02:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tim Dashwood
Yes and no.

It will capture m2t files exactly the way a program like DVHSCap would. Therefore, any frame rate, inlcuding 720P24 will record as m2t. I haven't actually tested 480P60 or 576P50 yet, but will get around to that.

If you are referring to the real-time quicktime encapsulation for FCP 5, then only 720P30 will work. However, Focus says they are working on 720P24 QT support.


Hi Tim, Have they updated this yet? I only shoot 24p and I REALLY want to buy the DR100, but if I can't shot 24p and edit it in FC5, Its not use =(

Tim Dashwood December 15th, 2006 03:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brian Duke
Hi Tim, Have they updated this yet? I only shoot 24p and I REALLY want to buy the DR100, but if I can't shot 24p and edit it in FC5, Its not use =(

As far as I know Focus still hasn't released 720P24 quicktime support. m2t support has always been there, but I feel like this product won't really be complete until it can encapsulate HDV 720P24 and 720P25 in Quicktime.


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