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Jody Arnott January 23rd, 2013 01:32 AM
JVC HM600 Sample Footage/Thoughts
 
Hi all,

I decided to start a new thread for this. I cut together a few clips that I shot on my new HM600 over the past couple of days. Excuse the amateur camera work, it's my first professional video camera (aside from my XA10) so I'm still getting used to all of the manual controls.

Enjoy!


I've also quoted some initial thoughts about the camera that I posted in my other thread:

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jody Arnott (Post 1774487)
Some thoughts so far.

Build quality:
- Seems good for the most part, the camera feels solid and well-built. However...
- SD Card door is really weak and flimsy
- When I pull out the LCD screen, it feels very weak, and it creaks when moved
- The plastic near the handhold strap creaks, which annoys me. It feels hollow and cheap

Rings:
- Focus ring is rubberised plastic and it's HUGE, so it's really easy to find and use without looking
- Zoom ring is servo driven. It's quite responsive, there doesn't seem to be any lag unless you pull it really fast, then the lens has to catch up. Otherwise it's really nice to use
- Iris ring is very thin, as on most cameras I think, but easy enough to find and grip so no issues

Auto focus:
- I'm on the fence so far... Sometimes it's fast and accurate and other times it takes a while to start auto focusing. Sometimes it even hunts back and forth to find an accurate focus, making the footage unusable
I'll need more time with the camera to really make a decision though. I do a lot of sports videography so auto focus is important to me. However

Image stabilisation:
- Not really impressed, the stabilisation on my XA10 is better. Then again, I'm not used to holding big cameras like this so it may just be a matter of personal technique. Default setting is "normal" but you can go into the menu and set it to "high" which I think may introduce some form of software stabilisation. It doesn't seem to make a huge difference.

LCD screen:
- Resolution is good, it's reasonably crisp and sharp. Easy to focus on, but very reflective in the light.
- The EVF is extremely good, it's huge and really sharp which makes it easy to focus on. Unfortunately the colours are terrible, very washed out, dull, and not very accurate.

Other stuff:
- Zoom lever is massive and really nice to use
- 3 record buttons, very ergonomically placed
- Fan noise can be heard on the internal mic in quiet environments
- Having trouble getting the .mp4 and .mov media into Avid MC 6.5
- I had to update the firmware as 25p mode was coming out interlaced. No further issues after the update.

Eric Olson January 23rd, 2013 02:46 AM
Re: JVC HM600 Sample Footage/Thoughts
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jody Arnott (Post 1774767)
I cut together a few clips that I shot on my new HM600 over the past couple of days.
Looks fun to shoot with!

The long zoom starting at 1:22 and ending at 1:46 is impressive. I see some chromatic abberation on the automobile at full zoom. I know the camera was in full auto, but do you have any idea what the aperture was at that point? Did you have the ND filter engaged? Was the aperture full open?

You said you were having trouble ingesting the .mp4 and .mov files. Is there a way you could post the native files from the camera for a 2 second clip in each format? I am interested how they work with my system.

Jody Arnott January 23rd, 2013 03:39 AM
Re: JVC HM600 Sample Footage/Thoughts
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric Olson (Post 1774780)
Looks fun to shoot with!

The long zoom starting at 1:22 and ending at 1:46 is impressive. I see some chromatic abberation on the automobile at full zoom. I know the camera was in full auto, but do you have any idea what the aperture was at that point? Did you have the ND filter engaged? Was the aperture full open?

You said you were having trouble ingesting the .mp4 and .mov files. Is there a way you could post the native files from the camera for a 2 second clip in each format? I am interested how they work with my system.
Sorry, I didn't take note of the aperture during that zoom. I did that at my home so I'll do it again tomorrow using manual settings and upload the footage.

I've uploaded some native clips, you should be able to download them from here:
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/b0xvpqw6p4od23c/TNhK3_liCp

Eric Olson January 23rd, 2013 04:52 AM
Re: JVC HM600 Sample Footage/Thoughts
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jody Arnott (Post 1774786)
I've uploaded some native clips, you should be able to download them from here:
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/b0xvpqw6p4od23c/TNhK3_liCp
Thanks! The .MOV file works well. For the record mediainfo reports the following:

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Jody Arnott January 23rd, 2013 05:31 AM
Re: JVC HM600 Sample Footage/Thoughts
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric Olson (Post 1774795)
Thanks! The .MOV file works well. For the record mediainfo reports the following:
Interesting, what NLE are you using? Media Composer 6.5 won't let me import the .MOV or .MP4. I can AMA the .MOV but then I have transcode issues which I can get around by doing a video mix down but it seems like a long way of doings things.

Mike Squires January 23rd, 2013 01:33 PM
Re: JVC HM600 Sample Footage/Thoughts
 
.MP4 imports just fine in Premiere Pro CS6 also.

Rod Pike January 23rd, 2013 01:38 PM
Re: JVC HM600 Sample Footage/Thoughts
 
Thanks for sharing Jody.
Rod

Petter Flink January 23rd, 2013 06:32 PM
Re: JVC HM600 Sample Footage/Thoughts
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric Olson (Post 1774780)
Looks fun to shoot with!

The long zoom starting at 1:22 and ending at 1:46 is impressive. I see some chromatic abberation on the automobile at full zoom. I know the camera was in full auto, but do you have any idea what the aperture was at that point? Did you have the ND filter engaged? Was the aperture full open?
Thanks for the test shot Jody.

Eric, I noticed the CA as well.
Overall it looks a bit soft. It takes quite a while during zoom out before the softness and CA disappears.
It almost looks like some of those zoomed in shots of the early/pre release version which JVC quickly fixed.

Eric Olson January 23rd, 2013 07:24 PM
Re: JVC HM600 Sample Footage/Thoughts
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jody Arnott (Post 1774800)
Interesting, what NLE are you using? Media Composer 6.5 won't let me import the .MOV or .MP4. I can AMA the .MOV but then I have transcode issues which I can get around by doing a video mix down but it seems like a long way of doings things.
I can load the .mp4 file into Sony Vegas without trouble. For what it's worth, I can also losslessly remultiplex the .mov files into an .mxf container using ffmpeg
Code:
ffmpeg -i QUICKTIME_MPEG2.MOV -vcodec copy -acodec pcm_s16le -y source.mxf
and then load the resulting file into Cinelerra. With mpeg2 video and pcm audio there is not much that anyone would expect to go wrong and it is nice to see that it just works.

With the chromatic abberation, does it go away if you stop the lens down a little?

Jody Arnott January 23rd, 2013 07:52 PM
Re: JVC HM600 Sample Footage/Thoughts
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Petter Flink (Post 1774908)
Thanks for the test shot Jody.

Eric, I noticed the CA as well.
Overall it looks a bit soft. It takes quite a while during zoom out before the softness and CA disappears.
It almost looks like some of those zoomed in shots of the early/pre release version which JVC quickly fixed.
The softness may have been my error.

I'll get a few more zoomed in shots today and see if I can eliminate the softness and CA.

edit:

Here's another one. F3.2, 1/50, -6dB, ND 1/64, auto white balance, manual focus on the houses
Quicktime MPEG2 compressed to H.264 MP4, 8mbit

https://www.dropbox.com/s/jg4ushsxqxo2p15/ZoomTest.mp4

Michael Warren January 23rd, 2013 08:48 PM
Re: JVC HM600 Sample Footage/Thoughts
 
Thanks for posting these Samples, Jody. Some observations:

The "CA" that can be seen on the white car and is also on the edges on the trees looks more like the bleed that will often happen on edges where over exposure is occurring. This is not chromatic aberration from the lens, but rather too much light triggering adjacent red and blue pixels. This can be fixed in post without too much trouble if it's troublesome, but I'm not sure anyone but us pixel-peepers will notice.

Try to avoid using negative gain. The data from the sensor will still be clipped and would likely exaggerate the purple fringing.

Looking at the Monarch butterfly clip, it looks like it can focus quite close.

Regarding the noise test you posted earlier, as Noa said, a comparison is only meaningful if you get the brightness levels the same between the 2 cameras being tested. A small chip is less sensitive so the gain setting won't track. I examined a still frame from both and noticed that there is much poorer dynamic range and more obvious noise reduction on the XA10.

Leon Kolenda January 24th, 2013 02:21 AM
Re: JVC HM600 Sample Footage/Thoughts
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jody Arnott (Post 1774786)
Sorry, I didn't take note of the aperture during that zoom. I did that at my home so I'll do it again tomorrow using manual settings and upload the footage.

I've uploaded some native clips, you should be able to download them from here:
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/b0xvpqw6p4od23c/TNhK3_liCp
Jody, thanks for posting all the video and info!

In the last scene of the pan of the river, it seems pretty soft, did you just have that out of focus. That lens seems awesome to me, except for some of that purple CA, Can that be taken out in post? Is it a pain to do.

I'm close to pulling the trigger.

Southerndude-USA

Jody Arnott January 24th, 2013 02:29 AM
Re: JVC HM600 Sample Footage/Thoughts
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Leon Kolenda (Post 1774967)
Jody, thanks for posting all the video and info!

In the last scene of the pan of the river, it seems pretty soft, did you just have that out of focus. That lens seems awesome to me, except for some of that purple CA, Can that be taken out in post? Is it a pain to do.

I'm close to pulling the trigger.

Southerndude-USA
Probably soft. The duck was moving so I was trying to keep up.

And not too sure about the CA, I haven't had much experience with it.

Loving the camera so far though. My only concern is that it's a lot noisier in low light than I thought it would be.

Jody Arnott January 28th, 2013 02:49 AM
Re: JVC HM600 Sample Footage/Thoughts
 
Hmm, this is interesting.

I did a time lapse using the interval record function tonight. All manual settings, and manual focus. At the start of the time lapse, the focus was perfect. But as the sun went down and the sky got darker, the focus went soft.

Focus was definitely set to manual.

Any thoughts as to why this would happen? I'm at the beach tonight but will upload the video tomorrow.

Michael Warren January 28th, 2013 05:15 AM
Re: JVC HM600 Sample Footage/Thoughts
 
Did you need to open the aperture as the recording progressed?

Petter Flink January 28th, 2013 12:10 PM
Re: JVC HM600 Sample Footage/Thoughts
 
Was there any clear temperature changes?
Or did the 600 stand in the sun before sun down?

Jody Arnott January 28th, 2013 05:17 PM
Re: JVC HM600 Sample Footage/Thoughts
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Michael Warren (Post 1775706)
Did you need to open the aperture as the recording progressed?
Oh, of course. It just occurred to me - I had auto iris on. The aperture would have opened up as the sky got darker, making the DoF shallower.

Tim Gauthier January 28th, 2013 07:33 PM
Re: JVC HM600 Sample Footage/Thoughts
 
I just got my camera as well, I shot some footage in near dark at a conference, I had to gain all the way to -18 to get anything visible, yes it was noisy, but completely useable!

I noticed the same thing about the door on the SD cards, however I havn't felt any creeks in the handle. The screen was solid and could just be friction sounds. The internal mic picks up anything you do on the body, and I expected this so I have an NTG-2 hooked up. I hope to possibly get some good stock b-roll of Germany tomorrow so I will try to post some of that.

I have to play with the detail settings as well as the skin detail options, I don't fully understand them yet.

here is my clip, I dubbed in the audio again, but left some of my shotgun audio back in for ambience.

Jody Arnott January 28th, 2013 10:13 PM
Re: JVC HM600 Sample Footage/Thoughts
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tim Gauthier (Post 1775829)
I just got my camera as well, I shot some footage in near dark at a conference, I had to gain all the way to -18 to get anything visible, yes it was noisy, but completely useable!

I noticed the same thing about the door on the SD cards, however I havn't felt any creeks in the handle. The screen was solid and could just be friction sounds. The internal mic picks up anything you do on the body, and I expected this so I have an NTG-2 hooked up. I hope to possibly get some good stock b-roll of Germany tomorrow so I will try to post some of that.

I have to play with the detail settings as well as the skin detail options, I don't fully understand them yet.

here is my clip, I dubbed in the audio again, but left some of my shotgun audio back in for ambience.

Rachelle's Dance on Vimeo
Hm I'm confused by this. If I use 18dB gain the image is a LOT noisier than yours. So bad that I wouldn't use it. Pretty sure mine is noisier even at 6dB... Could there be an issue with my camera?

Might do some more low light testing tonight.

Alan Fitch January 29th, 2013 07:36 PM
Re: JVC HM600 Sample Footage/Thoughts
 
My understanding is that the noise was addressed by the firmware update released in December. Not having one of these yet, I don't know what version number it is.

Hope this helps.

- Alan

Werner Graf January 30th, 2013 10:59 AM
Re: JVC HM600 Sample Footage/Thoughts
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tim Gauthier (Post 1775829)
I just got my camera as well, I shot some footage in near dark at a conference, I had to gain all the way to -18 to get anything visible, yes it was noisy, but completely useable!

I noticed the same thing about the door on the SD cards, however I havn't felt any creeks in the handle. The screen was solid and could just be friction sounds. The internal mic picks up anything you do on the body, and I expected this so I have an NTG-2 hooked up. I hope to possibly get some good stock b-roll of Germany tomorrow so I will try to post some of that.

I have to play with the detail settings as well as the skin detail options, I don't fully understand them yet.

here is my clip, I dubbed in the audio again, but left some of my shotgun audio back in for ambience.

Rachelle's Dance on Vimeo
Goosepimpels so nice from whom is the music?

Scott Kase January 30th, 2013 01:49 PM
Re: JVC HM600 Sample Footage/Thoughts
 
Tim the footage looks great. We have shot some demo footage with our Camera and our customers who purchased these from us have been very pleased.

Jody Arnott January 30th, 2013 09:43 PM
Re: JVC HM600 Sample Footage/Thoughts
 
Some more footage I put together. Shot entirely on the HM600.

Note that some of the shots are colour graded.

Leon Kolenda January 30th, 2013 10:03 PM
Re: JVC HM600 Sample Footage/Thoughts
 
Jody, can you post your videos of the GY-HM600 to Vimeo? I hate Youtube, their compression is so bad, It makes it hard to evaluate any video. Or if there is a place we could download a short file?

Love the range on that lens!

Jody Arnott January 30th, 2013 10:53 PM
Re: JVC HM600 Sample Footage/Thoughts
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Leon Kolenda (Post 1776246)
Jody, can you post your videos of the GY-HM600 to Vimeo? I hate Youtube, their compression is so bad, It makes it hard to evaluate any video. Or if there is a place we could download a short file?

Love the range on that lens!
Yep not a problem, I'll get a copy up onto Vimeo.

Edit:
Here's a 12mbit .mp4:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/61lxxwxmgg...Main_Final.mp4

Would recommend downloading the file as the player seems to compress the video.

Jody Arnott January 31st, 2013 06:20 PM
Re: JVC HM600 Sample Footage/Thoughts
 
Here's some more low light footage. Definitely better than I first thought, it's quite usable at 0dB. I'll try and get some 6dB tests up too.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/5icrlzv36w...20Test%202.mp4

My expectations were obviously too high at first. As I mentioned, this is my first professional video camera aside from the XA10 so I wasn't sure what to expect.

From what I can tell, the JVC tries to maintain as much detail as possible in low light as possible, while the XA10 sacrifices detail to reduce noise and produce a cleaner image. I think that's why I was so confused as to why the HM600 was so noisy.

The first low light tests can be found here: http://www.dvinfo.net/forum/jvc-gy-h...0-arrived.html but honestly, I'd ignore them.

Tim Gauthier February 6th, 2013 04:57 PM
Re: JVC HM600 Sample Footage/Thoughts
 
I got out for a day trip to Prague and filmed this. I accidentally turned the LowLUX mode on and so some of the footage is grainy. You can also see how the focus started to search a few times. This was not obvious on the LCD screen, so I just need to be aware of it when using the camera.

Michael Warren February 6th, 2013 07:05 PM
Re: JVC HM600 Sample Footage/Thoughts
 
Thanks Tim. And thanks for making the original 1080p available for download.

Jody Arnott February 6th, 2013 07:37 PM
Re: JVC HM600 Sample Footage/Thoughts
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tim Gauthier (Post 1777660)
I got out for a day trip to Prague and filmed this. I accidentally turned the LowLUX mode on and so some of the footage is grainy. You can also see how the focus started to search a few times. This was not obvious on the LCD screen, so I just need to be aware of it when using the camera.

Prague Day trip on Vimeo
Thanks for the video.

I've had some issues with the focus searching too. I don't trust the auto focus at all.

I was doing some testing the other day, and sometimes even when the camera has good focus, it keeps hunting.

Hopefully this is an issue JVC can look into.

Leon Kolenda February 10th, 2013 11:23 PM
Re: JVC HM600 Sample Footage/Thoughts
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tim Gauthier (Post 1777660)
I got out for a day trip to Prague and filmed this. I accidentally turned the LowLUX mode on and so some of the footage is grainy. You can also see how the focus started to search a few times. This was not obvious on the LCD screen, so I just need to be aware of it when using the camera.

Prague Day trip on Vimeo
Hey TIm, Nice video. Good choice of subject matter. I have watched it a few times the lens looks pretty good.
In a few parts, especially of the cathedral, it looks like there is some wavering of the video, like there was a heat wave in front of the lens. DO you see what I'm seeing? What ere the Gain settings? and all the other also.

Thanks,

Noa Put February 11th, 2013 01:47 AM
Re: JVC HM600 Sample Footage/Thoughts
 
Nice and sharp footage from Prague, but I see the waviness as well, especially at 02:05 in that extreme zoom from the city you see the whole image deforming a bit, something I see on all zoom shots, the further zoomed in, the worse it gets. Could it be that a stabilizer has been applied in post? I know that Edius stabilizer has that effect when you stabilize handheld footage.

Tim Gauthier February 11th, 2013 07:31 AM
Re: JVC HM600 Sample Footage/Thoughts
 
The footage was stabilized with FCPx, so thats likely what you see there, I should upload a copy without any post work.

Scott Kase February 11th, 2013 10:20 AM
Re: JVC HM600 Sample Footage/Thoughts
 
I found this funny Clip that was done in France on the JVC HM650/600 , Video quality looks great

Noa Put February 11th, 2013 10:51 AM
Re: JVC HM600 Sample Footage/Thoughts
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tim Gauthier (Post 1778472)
The footage was stabilized with FCPx
I guessed right :) With these NLE stabilizers you have to be careful, they are ok to remove small jitter but when there is too much to compensate they tend to make your image wobble.

Jody Arnott February 28th, 2013 07:58 PM
Re: JVC HM600 Sample Footage/Thoughts
 
Some more test footage I shot over the past month on my HM600. REALLY loving this camera.

Michael Warren March 1st, 2013 04:02 PM
Re: JVC HM600 Sample Footage/Thoughts
 
Nice job, Jody. I see you have a statue of Riff Raff. :)

I haven't been to Hamilton for many years. I used to go there every time there was a horse race meeting in the early 80s doing judicial filming.

Tim Gauthier March 18th, 2013 05:38 PM
Re: JVC HM600 Sample Footage/Thoughts
 
I got a chance to shoot a decent timelapse outside my window, sadly we're not low enough to go under the trees, or high enough to go over, and It was tricky trying to figure out what to frame. I decided to use the anamorphic widescreen crop overly, and then I cropped my footage on export with compressor. I feel it came out not too bad!

Alan Fitch March 18th, 2013 11:21 PM
Re: JVC HM600 Sample Footage/Thoughts
 
Tim -

Can you give us the specs on your timelapse (aperture, shutter, interval, etc)?

Thanks,
Alan

Tim Gauthier March 18th, 2013 11:46 PM
Re: JVC HM600 Sample Footage/Thoughts
 
It was one frame per 10 seconds for several hours (5 or 6? Can not remember exactly now) and I had it on auto iris auto shutter with fixed gain and fixed focus on the church roof.


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