Re: GoPro Protune
 

Just a heads up, take note of what Abe said above, not only does it explain well what ProTune is but as GoPros Head Editor you got it straight from the "'horses mouth"

Thanks for the explanation Abe.

Re: GoPro Protune
 

Ok Chris,
Just to throw a little more confusion to the equation. I just changed the format to pal & i still have the same amount of time showing; 2h 58min.??? I don't get it. I have tried formatting the card, but that doesn't seem to change anything either. I have just turned protune off & in 1080-30p it is showing 4h 45min.
I will try recording a clip & time it, & see what the time remaining counts down to & let you know.

Bryce

Re: GoPro Protune
 

Ok, so i just checked again, & sure enough, the time remaining goes down equal to the length of the clip as it records. I also just checked the settings & recorded two clips, one without protune on, & with with it on. The one without is recorded at 14999kbps & the one with protune turned on is recorded at 35110kbps according to Gspot.
I can't understand why your recording time is so short for a 32gb card.
Bryce

Re: GoPro Protune
 

Hi Bryce

I found out what the issue is!! It's the frame rate!! At 1080 25T on a 16GB card I have 41 mins ..if I change the mode to 1080 30T (still in PAL) I now get 1hr29mins which would be the same as your 2hr 58mins on a 32GB card.

I wonder why a 25T frame rate needs so much more space??? If you set yours to 25T you will also see the time effectively cut in half!!! Just for interest if you set to 24T you get 1hr 10mins which is still better than the 25t mode.

Anyone else know why the 25T mode eats up so much card space??? What are the PAL guys shooting in??

Chris

Re: GoPro Protune
 

Ok this is getting weird now!!

I set my cam to 1080 30T and it automatically set itself to NTSC not PAL...so I went into the menu again and changed NTSC back to PAL and voila..it changed the frame rate from 1080 30T to 1080 25T and I now have 1hr 29mins on a 16GB card.

All I can think is that the camera might have switched back to NTSC and by setting a 25P mode it needs lots of space to do the 30t to 25t conversion.

It's definately now on PAL and 1080 25T and has the correct amount of space...so it seems if you play around with modes you MUST go back and check everything else too to make sure they are still set correctly...also when you change frame video mode it also seems to reset FOV too!! However it kept ProTune on!!

Chris

Re: GoPro Protune
 

Editing the raw ProTune files in EDIUS with CC is a piece of cake here.

I find as the H.264 compression in DSLR's cannot handle solid tones to set the colour in the camera before you shoot. Do it later and you enjoy all the compression banding. Converting to another codec is a waste of time too as the compression banding is there in the raw footage to start with. Just a limitation with H.264. As one cannot set the color on the little GoPro's then you have no choice but to shoot flat.

I converted the Pro Tune to Canopus HQ fine avi and there is no difference in quality when adding in the same CC just makes mega huge files.... so just edit the raw ProTune files if your NLE can.

Re: GoPro Protune
 

Are you going off the numbers the display says? or recording time you're actually getting? I wouldn't be surprised if the display time left was off...

Re: GoPro Protune
 

Hi Abe

I'm simply looking at the time on the front display... I'll go thru the settings again and double check everything. Now on my Panasonic cameras, at 24mbps I get 97mins on a 16GB card so to me 1hr29 sounds totally off if it's recording at 35 mbps the 41 min figure sounds a lot more accurate. The display could quite rightly be highly inaccurate!! I'll give it an 40 min run in the morning here at a wedding I'm doing and see if the actual record time and display get better

Thanks for the help

Chris

Re: GoPro Protune
 

I tinkered with mine in Premiere last night – my first ever attempt to do anything besides apply ‘auto color’ in post for ‘color correction.’ I’ve got no idea what I’m doing; used ProcAmp and Equalize after toying around with some other controls and finally got something out that doesn’t look too horrible to me. I’ve actually been keen to try tweaking on adjusting some video in post processing anyway.

Mine is coming back for a 2:37 minute clip to encode in 8:30ish minutes; which is probably a bit more than usual. I’m usually about double real-time on an i7 quadcore 3.4 ghz/cuda video card machine.

At any rate, it’s all working for me or seemingly so – just FYI.

Re: GoPro Protune
 

I have applied the update but now find that my SanDisk class 4 15MB/s SD is not fast enough for the Protune capture speed. I get only a few seconds captured before I get a warning that the footage could not be captured as my card is too slow.
What speed card is the minimum to record the Protune version?

Re: GoPro Protune
 

When is the App for Android coming???

Re: GoPro Protune
 

2 weeks after the Iphone APP. so could be any time in the next 10 days.

Re: GoPro Protune
 

Maybe my brain is a little fuzzy this morning but if it records at 35mbps would it matter what frame rate it records. Shouldn't the time be the same for all of them?

Gordon

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Thanks Ian.

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Class 10 is the minimum

Re: GoPro Protune
 

In Protune mode the camera is using maximum resources that is why preview doesn't work on the iPhone/iPad in that mode, it can't process 2 streams at once.

If you do the numbers a class 4 card is too slow, class 6 should handle the write speed, but class 10 is what is recommended by GoPro. The burst feature on the GOpro definatly requires class10 and they are cheap these days no excuse to not use them.

Re: GoPro Protune
 

Don't buy class 6 cards, mine stops after few minutes.
Interesting because it can write 55mbps. Tested.

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Thanks for the info about needing Class 10 cards. . . it took me a bit by surprise because I can(through an adapter) record full HD from my Sony EX1 onto those Class 4 cards which is a 35 mb/s codec.

Re: GoPro Protune
 

Protune is VBR, max peak was around 44mbit by me.
But still, my card can do 55 :(

Re: GoPro Protune
 

No ProTune is CBR Prech. What program/player did you read the 44mbps on?

Re: GoPro Protune
 

Bitrate viewer.
Avidemux..

Re: GoPro Protune
 

David Newman wrote a lengthy article on the 'why & how' of the Protune upgrade. It's on his blog, Cineform Insider at the following link:

CineForm Insider: Protune


Jr. Pascual
49 Productions

Re: GoPro Protune
 

Enjoying the thread and learning a lot. I think my earlier question may be answered in the link Junior Pascual to David Newman's blog: "The CineForm connection: 35Mb/s H.264 H264 is hard to decode, much harder than 15Mb/s. So transcoding to a faster editing format certainly helps"

That said I'd still love confirmation form anyone else about what I mentioned earlier, for me the raw 24p Protune clips do not playback smoothly in VLC Media Player though they played fine pre-update, ProTune, and 24p. Playback is pretty unwatchable for me now. Same is true with trying to drop the raw file in Sony Vegas, which again I had no issues with GoPro clips pre-update. I'm getting the same thing on my primary computer and my laptop.

Not looking for a solution necessarily as I can already use GoPro CineForm Studio to get a playable file though obviously would love to avoid the extra step. I just want to confirm if this is the norm for others trying to playback with VLC or edit the files straight out of the camera without transcoding or, if it's just me and I actually do have a local issue that I should try to resolve.

- Ray

Re: GoPro Protune
 

Is it stated somewhere that Go Pro Cameras and Bac Pacs are not recognised by the Device Window via USB3? If not it should be. It had me stuck for quite a time, and just on the off chance switched to USB2 (as another plug, not specifically as USB2) and found it worked. Then I found a mention of it on some website...

Re: GoPro Protune
 

Thanks for posting; I’m glad to see that it references the ‘everyday shooter’ being in mind with making this available. I was beginning to feel like this was intended for the pros only. So, it’s to be expected that ‘everyday shooters’ aren’t likely going to be experienced with post correction, etc.

Re: GoPro Protune
 

A question for Ian Newland or Abe Kislevitz...

I have a Garmin Asus A10 running Android 2.1 or 2.2 - not sure which. Will the Android App work with my phone?

Re: GoPro Protune
 

Know one will really knows until the app is released and people try on their various hardware. We have users devising ways to wifi connect to a PC, tablet or smartphone on our forum without the GoPro App but that doesn't answer your question. See link below.

GoProUser.freeforums.org • View topic - Howto Livestream to PC and view files on PC/Smartphone!

Re: GoPro Protune
 

Just a quick update, no clue what has changed but just did a new little batch of test clips in 24p with Protune and all is right with the world. Played back fine in VLC and on the timeline. Happy me.

- Ray

Re: GoPro Protune
 

I've just updated the firmware, very easy no trouble but with Protunes enabled I can no longer get 720 at 25 or 50FPS, I'm in UK PAL land.
Is it the case that those are not available now (unless I turn Protunes off) or am I missing something?

Re: GoPro Protune
 

yes, it is not supported (yet)

Re: GoPro Protune
 

I am a total noob but shot some stuff recently in protune mode. Are there any links were I can find a protune workflow. I edit in Premiere on a PC.

Re: GoPro Protune
 

For recent versions of PPro, just import and adjust to suit. Since it is a minimally processed file, you'll probably want to tweak with a color corrector and maybe add a bit of sharpening. That might slow you down if you don't have GPU acceleration but if you do have it, no sweat.

Re: GoPro Protune
 

I rolled mine back until they get the issues worked out – it was locking up every time I tried to use it and I had to pull the battery.

I’ve never done post correction before, but while I was tinkering with my protune files I started creating presets of color correction for my clips that put me in the ballpark at least with them. Procamp was useful for one example.

Re: GoPro Protune
 

Thanks Pete, I am good to go on acceleration and I am running CS6. The trick will be how well I can color correct under water footage.

Re: GoPro Protune
 

A firmware update for HD2 is being developed, GoPro have submitted 100 case studies to their FW Engineers to help pin point the issue. No date has been set for release yet.

Re: GoPro Protune
 

Thats great news Ian. Yesterday for the first time I suffered multiple freezes that even removing the battery would not always correct. And since I had the H2 with a wifi back and in a case and in a high hard to access place it was even more frustrating. Finally I had to give up and just rely on my other cams but at the last minute I retried shooting using the new App via my Galaxy S3 (which had also frozen up) and it started recording. I had left the H2 / Galaxy combo untouched for around 20 minutes before retrying. Maybe that is another workaround to the freezing problem if time allows. The settings were latest firmware + Protune 1080 25T.

Pete

Re: GoPro Protune
 

I think the update to the update is out now? I updated mine again night before last and it seems solid. I took it out to try to get some video of the tornado damage here and it worked pretty flawlessly. Didn’t have to pull the battery out once!

So, back to the drawing board for a nice preset to apply to these Protune files. The higher bitrate video looks noticeably better. If I could just get a ballpark preset worked up.