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Jeffrey Baksinski May 30th, 2003 10:49 PM

Bypass The Codec?
 
Has anyone heard about ways to bypass the codec and go straight to a a very fast drive? I'm noticing that the automatic 5:1 compression (on the old Xl1) is making some headaches for me when trying to do high-end effects. Especially with green screens and such.

If possible, it'd be nice to go straight to a drive even if it wasn't in real time (for example, shooting minatures at a slower motion control rate) and avoid that first layer of compression. Even better would be to avoid that in real-time!

Thanks!

Jeffrey

Akos Szemenyei May 31st, 2003 01:22 AM

Sorry, if you shoot on DV, it's already encoded in the camera. You need to shoot DVCPRO, SD, HD or Film to have less problems. You can still use keying software to make your life easier, like the canopus keyer, Combustion, After Effects etc.

Rob Lohman June 2nd, 2003 10:12 AM

It might be that an uncompressed analog signal is on the XL1's
analog outputs. If you hook this up to a high quality MJPEG board
(the ones that go over 10 MB/s) you might get a better quality.
If however the camera encodes to DV and then decodes that
to analog (which could be since they could then use the same
circuitry that they use for playback) you will loose quality. If
you go down the analog route you will need very high quality
cables and other components to not loose too much quality
in that process.

But as Akos already explained, best is to go with a camera with
lesser compression.

Jeffrey Baksinski June 3rd, 2003 07:54 PM

Rats!

I just started thinking about the analogs out to a really fast capture card. Since I'm shooting in a controlled enviorment, I can afford to have fast hard drives and such to avoid the compression.

I should probably figure out the best way to use the Xl-1 so that the wife doesn't kill me...

Jeffrey Baksinski June 3rd, 2003 07:59 PM

Oh... also...

How can I find out if the analog is already getting the compression going through the camera?

That would be too bad, but I'm betting it is.

Rob Lohman June 4th, 2003 02:31 PM

Now that would be hard to tell indeed.... Best way probably
is to compare frames with DV and analog. The more detail
in them the better. Also sharp contrast will more easily show
macroblock compression. Then even your capture card might
introduce unwanted side effects. Best to stay uncompressed
then. As I said earlier, better stick to DV or get a higher grade
camera in my opinion...

Jeffrey Baksinski June 5th, 2003 02:19 PM

<<<-- As I said earlier, better stick to DV or get a higher grade
camera in my opinion... -->>>


I'll use you as a reference with the wife!

Rob Lohman June 5th, 2003 04:58 PM

Uh oh... glad she doesn't know were I live exactly <g>


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