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Gary Huff August 15th, 2018 02:45 PM

Re: Mac Sierra Users: Don't Upgrade to High-Sierra - yet
 
I avoid using TimeMachine all together, just too many issues with it I've seen from others. I would recommend Carbonite or Dropbox, and don't be afraid of just wiping your drive and re-installing your OS.

Boyd Ostroff August 15th, 2018 03:08 PM

Re: Mac Sierra Users: Don't Upgrade to High-Sierra - yet
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Robert Lane (Post 1946017)
There may be yet another simpler - and not-so-obvious way to avoid the snapshots-from-hell:

From Rob at Barefeats: He noticed that Time Machine is responsible for making all the snapshots (as noted in the articles I shared)

I'm confused now, since earlier you stated...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robert Lane (Post 1943150)
The OS-growing issue has nothing to do with Time Machine.

The time machine snapshot issue is not new, it has been discussed for years. But MacOS has been pretty good at freeing up that space when it was actually needed for something. I've been using Time Machine on my laptop for the past 7 years or so and haven't had any problems. I have an Apple Time Capsule and it constantly backs up over wifi. Has come in handy a few times when I accidentally deleted something. But I have a separate Mac just for video editing and have time machine disabled on it.

I use Carbon Copy to make bootable clones of all my Macs as well. I would never actually restore a full computer from a Time Machine backup unless all my other options failed, it's just too slow for that kind of thing.

Since I was finally able to get a fast FIOS internet connection last year, I now have 4 different computers with a total of about 8TB of data that are continuously backed up to the Cloud with BackBlaze as well.

Boyd Ostroff August 15th, 2018 03:12 PM

Re: Mac Sierra Users: Don't Upgrade to High-Sierra - yet
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Gary Huff (Post 1946018)
don't be afraid of just wiping your drive and re-installing your OS.

That was always the standard solution for any problem with a Windows computer... which made me happy that I used Macs! I got my first Mac in 1985 and I don't ever recall having to wipe and re-install the operating system. But I have a friend who does it every few months. For some reason he's convinced that it solves all kinds of strange problems (that nobody else seems to have). :-)

Robert Lane August 15th, 2018 05:18 PM

Re: Mac Sierra Users: Don't Upgrade to High-Sierra - yet
 
Boyd,

My initial research was skewed; I was digging in the wrong direction. It wasn't until those recent articles posted that I had clarity about exactly how/why the OS was growing.

I never use TM, never trusted it and so never looking into it's preferences, but lo and behold the answer was always right in front of me. Bah... and my ex said I wasn't perfect. Hmmmm....

So this really was never a bug per-se it's obviously intentional and, there's a way around it - thankfully. I'm just glad there's an easy and simple solution; I was beginning to think that Sierra was going to be the last Mac-based OS I'd use! whew...

Gary Huff August 16th, 2018 09:05 AM

Re: Mac Sierra Users: Don't Upgrade to High-Sierra - yet
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Boyd Ostroff (Post 1946020)
But I have a friend who does it every few months. For some reason he's convinced that it solves all kinds of strange problems (that nobody else seems to have).

Your friend is right. I don't have commonly reported issues both with new OSes and updates of software like Creative Cloud. I see a lot of things reporting on similarly configured systems that I have that I don't encounter. Now, every few months is overkill, if that's what he's truly doing. I only do it for new OSes iterations (such as High Sierra from Sierra).

Boyd Ostroff August 16th, 2018 10:16 AM

Re: Mac Sierra Users: Don't Upgrade to High-Sierra - yet
 
No, apparently he actually does it every few months. I know, because I happen to make maps that require the installation of some open source software, and he uses them. So invariably he contacts me because he can’t remember how to install the software. So evidently he is doing a clean install, then installing his applications and copying his user files back. He’s very set in his ways about this, and I have given up asking why. ;-)

Like I said, I have been using Macs since 1985. I managed an office full of them in the 90’s. Have 3 Macs that I use everyday at home. But I’ve never needed to do clean installs of the operating system to fix a problem. Perhaps it has to do with the software I use, or maybe it’s because I don’t visit “certain” websites? :-P

But seriously, I am very slow to upgrade to a new version of MacOS. I stayed on 10.8.5 for many years until I finally decided to switch to Final Cut Pro X from legacy FCP.

Gary Huff August 16th, 2018 10:32 AM

Re: Mac Sierra Users: Don't Upgrade to High-Sierra - yet
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Boyd Ostroff (Post 1946020)
But seriously, I am very slow to upgrade to a new version of MacOS. I stayed on 10.8.5 for many years until I finally decided to switch to Final Cut Pro X from legacy FCP.

That's probably why.

Pete Bauer October 22nd, 2018 12:28 PM

Re: Mac Sierra Users: Don't Upgrade to High-Sierra - yet
 
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Finally beat this “Huge System Storage” thing. From the Apple discussion threads, seems there isn’t one specific cause but the common theme is buried, or hidden, files/folders/volumes.

I tried everything I dared while away from home for 6 months with only my affected MBP with me, to no avail.

Once home, I finally broke down and installed free-to-try OmniDiskSweeper, which immediately identified a 374GB “in progress” Time Machine backup from, not coincidentally, right before I noticed my SSD unexpectedly near-full; it was showing as a hidden volume, not visible in Finder.

I deleted that hidden volume and thought at first it didn’t work, but lo and behold an hour or so later that space became available again, both in Get Info and About This Mac > Storage. My knowledge of macOS is miniscule, but guessing it just took time to re-index the SSD in the background.

While digging online, I did see other short threads pre-dating High Sierra with similar problems, so it seems that this is just a matter of whatever buried files (in some cases, GB of google mail drafts or huge numbers of text files for some errant application), or hidden folders/volumes that get left behind. In my case, it presumably was the failed Time Machine backup.

I’ll post this info over on the longest Apple Discussion about this. If you have this problem, you should be able to find that thread by keywording “macOS High Sierra – Huge System Storage” in the Apple discussion area.

Gary Huff October 22nd, 2018 02:27 PM

Re: Mac Sierra Users: Don't Upgrade to High-Sierra - yet
 
Moving onward, I did upgrade my Macbook Touch Bar to Mojave and I'm having a good experience on it. Definitely a stable OS for an initial release.

Pete Bauer October 22nd, 2018 03:24 PM

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That's good news. Any further comments on FCP and/or PPRo performance?

http://www.dvinfo.net/forum/adobe-cr...gh-sierra.html

Gary Huff October 22nd, 2018 09:04 PM

Re: Mac Sierra Users: Don't Upgrade to High-Sierra - yet
 
I haven't noticed a performance hit, but then I'm on a maxed out MacBook Pro 2018.


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