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Derek Lewis October 16th, 2006 05:53 PM

Cheapest way to get faster frame rates for smooth slow-mo?
 
I want a HVX200 in the worst way but it may be out of the question (school is expensive). I want to push my video's further, and as with all action sports, the coolest thing to see is smooth slow motion. What would be the cheapest or most practical way to do it?

I've been shooting 16mm but it's getting too expensive.

Chris Barcellos October 16th, 2006 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Derek Lewis
I want a HVX200 in the worst way but it may be out of the question (school is expensive). I want to push my video's further, and as with all action sports, the coolest thing to see is smooth slow motion. What would be the cheapest or most practical way to do it?

I've been shooting 16mm but it's getting too expensive.

Check out specs on the upcoming Sony V1U. It is suppose to have a super slow motion mode, capturing short bursts of slow motion.

Derek Lewis October 16th, 2006 06:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Barcellos
Check out specs on the upcoming Sony V1U. It is suppose to have a super slow motion mode, capturing short bursts of slow motion.

I checked out an HC3, but I would rather not go HD if I don't have to. Plus, 60fps would be enough. Does anybody know de-interlacing 60i work?

Emre Safak October 16th, 2006 07:02 PM

Just rent an HVX for the scenes in which 60P is required.

Derek Lewis October 16th, 2006 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Emre Safak
Just rent an HVX for the scenes in which 60P is required.

Checked into that. No rental houses near here and I can't find one that will ship.

Adam Keen October 16th, 2006 08:07 PM

High speed camera array:
http://graphics.stanford.edu/papers/highspeedarray/

Benjamin Hill October 16th, 2006 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Derek Lewis
What would be the cheapest or most practical way to do it?

Possibly, this:

http://rarevision.com/articles/slow_motion.php#

It's pretty cool. Requires patience (so does any good result). Good luck.

Cole McDonald October 17th, 2006 10:01 AM

Here's what I've done...

http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=68425

Dennis Khaye October 17th, 2006 12:01 PM

That is wonderful stuff Cole. Did anyone ever write a PC script for this?

Cole McDonald October 17th, 2006 12:46 PM

I don't think anyone did ever.

Cole McDonald October 17th, 2006 12:48 PM

I had this clip too:

http://www.yafiunderground.com/Video/slomo.mov

Roger Rosales October 17th, 2006 06:37 PM

With what I've seen and done myself, the After Effects method produces identical slow-motion as Cole's method. That's an alternative for the PC user if they don't have a mac.

Benjamin already posted the link but here it is again for those who missed it:

http://rarevision.com/articles/slow_motion.php#

It's great, fast and easy and works just as well as Cole's method for those who don't have a Mac.

I'd like to get Twixtor but it's so expensive, but the demo they have on their website is simply awesome! The amount they slow it down to while retaining crisp, smooth motion and picture clarity is amazing. It's definately on my to buy list.

Frank Hool October 18th, 2006 06:49 AM

The workflow what Cole describes is pretty much what Adobe Premiere does natively when slowing down 50%. In other words if footage is interlaced then premiere slows via repeating fields by frame. If it comes more than 50% then premiere repeats frames.

Cole McDonald October 18th, 2006 07:05 AM

I'm surprised an NLE would use this method as you are throwing away 50% of the resolution.

Brent Graham October 18th, 2006 09:49 AM

All the more reason to step up to HD!!!

Record 60i in HD and each field has enough info for a full frame of slow mo. By upping your rez in camera quality, you don't have to sacrifice spatial for temporal freedom.

Marcus Marchesseault October 18th, 2006 03:39 PM

Try www.goodervideo.com

They have slowmotion software that interpolates the in-between frames by analyzing individual pixel motion. It only works on .avi files, but you can convert your clips of any resolution to .avi and have the software do it's job. I'm assuming that there shouldn't be any significant detail loss on the change of file type compared to using interlace fields to generate full frames for slomo.

The best part is that the software is CHEAP and there are trial versions on the site.

Terence Murphy October 18th, 2006 04:04 PM

I use JES Deinterlacer, which is hard to beat for the price (free). It does a bob deinterlace to convert 60i to 30p without having to manually interleve the frames afterwards:

http://www.xs4all.nl/~jeschot/home.html

-Terence

Derek Lewis October 19th, 2006 09:12 AM

Thanks a lot guys! That will work well!


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