John, would you care to at least explain your points. Just 'no' doesn't really add much to the discussion.

Yes, the sound is great when compared to other cameras of this prices range. I didn't mean great as in 'professional, the best you can have' great. Let's be realistic here, shall we?

As to point and shoot, yes it is. Can't you just click on a cine mode, point it at something and shoot it? Sure you can, it gives you an immediate 'film look', again within reason. With most other cameras you have to tweak and play around with settings until it you get the same non-video look. It doesn't do everything for you, but it helps.

> With most other cameras you have to tweak and
> play around with settings until it you get the same
> non-video look.

Not to mention deinterlacing and other stuff in post, with the added recompression and thus loss of quality, and of course the loss of time.

<<<-- Originally posted by Dave Ferdinand : John, would you care to at least explain your points. Just 'no' doesn't really add much to the discussion...Yes, the sound is great when compared to other cameras of this prices range. I didn't mean great as in 'professional, the best you can have' great. Let's be realistic here, shall we?...As to point and shoot, yes it is. Can't you just click on a cine mode, point it at something and shoot it? Sure you can, it gives you an immediate 'film look', again within reason. With most other cameras you have to tweak and play around with settings until it you get the same non-video look. It doesn't do everything for you, but it helps. -->>>

Specifically what I meant is;

It is recommended an external mic be used if you want 'great' sound and a very professional sound can be had from the DVX100 using the right set-up. The onboard? I wish they made that as a removable option as it just seems to be in the way most of the time.

Point and Click? Yes, one can turn it on and point and 'click' the record button; one can also turn on the car and push it over a hill; but the results would most definately be undesirable at best. The DVX100 requires attention to the basics

Yes, inherently, the DVX100 has a wonderful 'out of the box' filmic quality; but less we not mislead people into thinking its a magic 'point and click' cam; the basics of photography still apply. The DVX is one of the few cameras that can require such an attention to detail.

Agreed John,

You can indeed often get very good point and shoot results if the conditions are just right, and again, if conditions are right it is an awesome run and gun, and it will indeed look...if not "filmic"...at least far more asthetically pleasing than a comprable interlaced cam, but it does require more attention to get what one would think of as a cinematic movie look.

To get into symantics for just a moment, I think the distinction between "film" look and "movie" look are somewhat important, and more than anything, it seems to my eye that the DVX delivers a very movie like, cinematic look. And, I'll include this info for no particular reason other than it coming to me at this moment. On the Barry Green DVD, it shows a comparison scene (an Eastwood looking western) between the FX1 and DVX.....man o man did the DVX smoke the FX1 as far as delivering a movie look. The difference was astounding.

Clarification: that was DVX vs. HD1, not FX1...

Thank you sir for correcting. I'm really glad you included that footage though, because regardless of the cam, the main thing it did was show a general contrast of standard video look, and the DVX's very cinematic look. That was one well worth while comparison shot, and the type of scene in the example was very suitable to display the subtle differences.

Does anyone find it odd that we're still posting in an old thread started by a long banned individual?

I didnt even notice; is that who I think it is Daniel?

Yessir, it sure is. As much of a forum pain as he is, I still feel love for the boy and hope he's doing ok.

"Yes, inherently, the DVX100 has a wonderful 'out of the box' filmic quality", erm.. so you DO agree with me, then? I never said anything about it being magic. If you interpreted it that way, that's up to you, but my comment was far from suggesting that if you buy a DVX100, you'll automatically become the new Spielberg - no need for actors, script or a DP - it's a miracle camera!

About the sound, of course it's better to have an external mic, but I never suggested otherwise. Let's not enter the realms of accessories: As is, the DVX as great sound compared to most other cams on it's category.

Daniel, I think most people refer to 'film look' as in something shot using a film camera. So 'film' as in, pellicle, celluloid, not as in a Hollywood movie with actors. You could be just shooting people walking down the street, but a PD150 will make it look very video like; a DVX100 will have a closer 'film' look; while a 35mm will BE film.

Originally posted by Dave Ferdinand : "Yes, inherently, the DVX100 has a wonderful 'out of the box' filmic quality", erm.. so you DO agree with me, then? I never said anything about it being magic. If you interpreted it that way, that's up to you, but my comment was far from suggesting that if you buy a DVX100, you'll automatically become the new Spielberg - no need for actors, script or a DP - it's a miracle camera!

About the sound, of course it's better to have an external mic, but I never suggested otherwise. Let's not enter the realms of accessories: As is, the DVX as great sound compared to most other cams on it's category.

Daniel, I think most people refer to 'film look' as in something shot using a film camera. So 'film' as in, pellicle, celluloid, not as in a Hollywood movie with actors. You could be just shooting people walking down the street, but a PD150 will make it look very video like; a DVX100 will have a closer 'film' look; while a 35mm will BE film.

It was the term "Immediate film look (point & shoot)" that can cause someone deciding on this kind of a purchase to be misinformed. It is important they realize the differences; inherently the camera looks surreally film-like but I have seen footage submitted 'out of box' that looked nothing like film and that was due to operator error; But that's already been covered.

Regarding the sound? Yet another important note for someone considering the purchase. If quality sound is what they are after, then a external mic is mandatory; hence be prepared to spend extra duckets on accessories. Is there a need to get into accessories? I think it prudent to acknowledge these little facts to the potential buyers.

I'm not sure what most people refer to definitions of 'film look' or 'filmic'. Lord knows this has been discussed to death. I think
we all know what it means when someone says 'Film look' and there is really no need for semantics. Film Look, Filmic, Film Quality, Cinematic. Everyone knows what is being referred to.

bottom line: go for the DVX or the xl2 if you want the cam now. if you prefer to wait, wait a year and see which cams come out, but I doubt they will be in the same price line.

dvx and xl2 have cinematic looks, but they are no wonder toys, YOu need to pre-edit your movies to get that great movie fantasy ' I wanna be a steven SPIELBERG' looking movie-look.

If you reall y want cinematic profesional stuf, wait for the next panasonic next year. They will be better than the dvx as to filmlook is concerned. Good luck.

ps: dvx is cheaper and gives you more money to buy external mics, light, etc etc

> wait for the next panasonic next year

You mean this year, right? Panasonic AJ-HDX100. Take a look:
http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthrea...2&goto=newpost

the link give me I don't have auhorisation . I am logged in in this forum.strange.

Ok. Sorry, the link seems to have changed.

This one works, for the whole collection of threads related to the new Panny, at least for now:

http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/forumdisp...?s=&forumid=80