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Dave Blackhurst August 20th, 2015 05:57 PM

Re: Using the Panasonic Lumix FZ1000
 
Try using a rubber band to give more grip? CP are a little trickier since half spins!

Dave Baker August 20th, 2015 11:50 PM

Re: Using the Panasonic Lumix FZ1000
 
Agreed, NO to WD40!

If you can get hold of a cable tie, try fixing one around the filter to give extra purchase. Otherwise, try some gentle heat, no more than a hair drier on low.

Have you tried Campkins camera shop in Cambridge?

Dave

Roger Gunkel August 21st, 2015 03:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Dave Baker (Post 1895739)
Agreed, NO to WD40!

If you can get hold of a cable tie, try fixing one around the filter to give extra purchase. Otherwise, try some gentle heat, no more than a hair drier on low.

Have you tried Campkins camera shop in Cambridge?

Dave

Hi Dave,

The cable tie is a good idea :-) If not it will have to be Campkins or Wex in Norwich, unfortunately since we have now moved to South Lincolnshire they are both about 90 minutes drive.

Roger

Dave Blackhurst August 21st, 2015 07:56 PM

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Use a zip tie with a rubber band for grip, not sure you could "build" a better "un-monkey" wrench! Gives you "360" contact, and a bit of something to lever on to crack it loose (hopefully figuratively on the "crack" part!)

Chris Harding August 23rd, 2015 07:26 AM

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We had a wedding rehearsal today so it was an ideal opportunity to zap out a few stills while I had a bunch of people around to not only shoot video but also stills.

Roger? you are right ..this camera truly amazes me regardless of what anyone else says... I shot a few stills just using IA+ mode so in full auto and they look magical .. I honestly think they totally outclass the same shots from the Nikons!! Ok admittedly my Nikons are 12 mp cameras and I was producing 20 mp images on the FZ1000 ...You can put these into the editor and blow them to 400% and the sharpness is STILL perfect. I think it's time to replace the Nikons now .. just got to find a decent flash that will work in TTL auto for Church and Reception shots ..outdoors is fine as they are and I'd rather use a reflector if I need fill than use flash outdoors!!!

Has anyone used the fancy scene files or filters to create in-camera special shots at weddings???

This one is totally untouched and a 400% zoom on a tight already zoomed shot .. brilliant lens!!!

Roger Gunkel August 24th, 2015 09:19 AM

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Thanks Chris for confirming that I am not talking out of my backside :-)

I can't believe how good the stills on Ai+ setting are coming out. When I have to shoot very quickly on the run, it stays on that setting because I know it won't let me down and I use manual when I have a little more time to plan shots.

Claire and I unusually had no wedding last weekend so had a couple of days on our little boat. I had the opportunity to use the camera for shots that I wouldn't normally have the time to take, so learnt a lot more about it. The circular polarising filter came in very handy to cut out glare and reflections from the river and there were plenty of opportunities to use the telephoto capabilities on wildlife pics.

I left the camera in the sun for about 10 minutes on Sunday and as it was warm when I picked it up I tried to undo the circular polariser filter. It unscrewed very easily and chuckled at me mischievously as it came free!!! That gave me the opportunity to put on the variable ND filter which also worked extremely well, so thanks Colin for the recommendation :-)

I tried some shots in video and stills as the sun was getting low, using the creative sunset modes and they worked very well. Also took some video shots of an angry swan in telephoto on high speed mode. Although there is no stabilisation in HS, when played back the slow speed damps down the movement and looks pretty impressive.

I'm also loving the artificial horizon overlay which makes stabilised handheld video easy to keep level. I even managed to get some very stable and level handheld pans which could have been on a tripod for look. Claire also took her first video shots with the camera and was delighted at how easy she found it, the colour depth and sharpness of the video. She also loved being able to take stills while video filming.

Roger

Chris Harding August 24th, 2015 06:31 PM

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Hi Roger

An unexpected break in the middle of the busy period is great for recharging your own batteries and it sounds like you took advantage of it too!!
I know using the cameras iA+ mode is bordering on the "enthusiastic amateur" category but sheesh if it works use it.

In fact the very well known photographer Joe Buissink said that on your mode dial "P" is for professional and "M" is for Master ...the only difference is because the camera does the calculations in P mode ..you get all the shots that the master misses because he is fiddling with settings ! If iA+ works and I get the shot I'm happy.

Our real season starts next weekend with two weddings and I'll be using the FZ1000 obviously for video but I'll also use one for the photoshoot too!!! For now I'll still use the Nikons inside the venue as they are equipped with decent flash units.

During last Sunday's rehearsal I also figured that I could use the B-Cam to shoot cutaways during the ceremony in Creative Vide Mode and then while it's doing nothing spin to iA+ mode grab a few stills and then back to CM mode again. Yes, I know I can also just stay in iA mode and do both but my finger is just too short to reach the video button on my rig!!

Glad you got the filter off the camera ....my ND's work very well too and no signs of any IR contamination which my last filters did and turned the image red!!!


Chris

Dave Blackhurst August 24th, 2015 10:52 PM

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As I get older and slower, electronics and algorithms get smarter and faster... but if they work, all I ask for is a manual override for when they don't! I'll argue that one should have a grasp on the basics of f/stop, shutter and so on, and be able to go into manual settings when needed for best results (such as shooting with 30p 4K cameras... shutter can be critical from experience with the AX100).

When all is said and done, you can't argue with results, and while I lean towards the RX10 and eventually a Mark2 when the price comes down a bit, it's good to see you getting on with the FZ1000's!

Steve Burkett August 25th, 2015 12:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Chris Harding (Post 1895986)

In fact the very well known photographer Joe Buissink said that on your mode dial "P" is for professional and "M" is for Master ...the only difference is because the camera does the calculations in P mode ..you get all the shots that the master misses because he is fiddling with settings ! If iA+ works and I get the shot I'm happy.

One Photographers opinion, but not all. That said, giving camera more control when things are happening quite fast in changing scenarios makes perfect sense, as long as you don't get lazy and use the setting when the situation is more controlled and manual would yield superior results.

For video, I use shutter priority when in a rush, manual when I'm not. Manual delivers more consistent results re exposure. Video footage that noticeably adjusts exposure mid scene just looks amateurish.

Chris Harding August 25th, 2015 12:51 AM

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Hi Steve

He does do weddings like Madonna and such celebs so he is obviously better than I am that's for sure. I would rather get the shot than miss it because I was messing around in manual. I will use manual for stuff like speeches and ceremony when the camera is set up 15 minutes prior and I can optimise settings, adjust for backlighting and such ..with our speeches they are all done from a lectern and quite often against a black curtain or wall so in those cases I have no option but to expose manually otherwise the camera will think .."look at all the black" and over expose so you end up with a washed out speaker at the lectern. I still keep the habit of having my cameras (both stills and video) left in a mode where I can grab and shoot without thinking ... if I have the time then of course I just switch to manual and adjust to my liking.... you have plenty of time to do that on ceremony and speeches but none at all when the groom sweeps the bride off her feet and does one circle of the dance floor ..it would be over before I even started filming. I must admit I really like the FZ1000 fast start times!! On my Sony's I used to often miss the Limo coming around the corner of the venue as by the time it was ready to film the car was in front of me!!

Steve Burkett August 25th, 2015 02:46 AM

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Well if he shoots for Madonna, then he must be right. Ha ha, as if. His is an opinion like anyone else. It's like Ray Roman, yep there's a lot to admire and learn from the guy, but that doesn't mean I take all he says and does as gospel according to Wedding Videography. Same with this Photographer.

I'm not disagreeing that setting to P or S modes isn't necessary, just that it's used correctly when time is against you and not as a lazy option.

Still I'm glad you find working with the FZ1000 agreeable. It wasn't so long ago that if anyone was asking for camera recommendations, you'd be there singing the virtues of the EA50. It was becoming so consistent, I was convinced if someone asked for a camera to be mounted to a bike, you'd have suggested the EA50. Of course your strong arguments then for the EA50 was a larger sensor, interchangeable lens yet in a proper body designed for filming and not for photo taking. Compelling arguments indeed, but one I'm happy to see some flexibility in your new choice of camera. :)

Roger Gunkel August 25th, 2015 03:05 AM

Re: Using the Panasonic Lumix FZ1000
 
Hi Steve,

You buy a new camera because it gives you improvements in what you can do to what you did. previously. I bought the FZ1000s because they gave me a bigger sensor than my video cams, sharper image, better low light, good telephoto range, great stills, brilliant auto, full manual, high speed filming and 4k, oh and the best stabilisation I have used so far and an amazing price.

I would rate it as the best all round camera I have ever used for the work I do, and enthusiastically recommend it to others with similar criteria to me. At some point, something will come on the market that ticks all my boxes and adds even more like built in ND filter, headphone monitoring, wide ranging smooth zoom speed and easier battery accessibility on tripod, plus a price point that I can justify. When it does, I will equally enthusiastically recommend it, because equipment advances and expectations expand.

Roger

Steve Burkett August 25th, 2015 04:30 AM

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I don't think I've ever recommended a GH4 to anyone, supported some if they have considered it. However those starting out I've suggested a bridge camera like the rx10. It's a good choice for a newbie looking for DSLR like but alas don't have the money for lenses. Plus it keeps a lot more of the basic video functions, though this applies more to the RX10. I didn't realise the FZ1000 lacked a headphone socket. Well it has to justify that low price I guess. It's a feature not always needed but important on the few times that you do.

Chris Harding August 25th, 2015 05:42 AM

Re: Using the Panasonic Lumix FZ1000
 
Hi Steve

OK, you asked for the long story so you are getting it!!

Yes you are right about the EA-50 ..I've been shooting Panasonic for 25 years and I love the look and colour so after my HMC cameras I naturally upgraded to the newer AC-130's ...I think due to the Tsunami Panny had these made under licence somewhere but the bottom line was that they were crappier than any Panasonic camera I had ever used ...everything changed including the look. Sony came out with the EA-50 and I was overjoyed and hopeful that it was a better build than the cheap plastic AC-130 which had the Leica lens gone and a poor alternative added. The Sony's are a good build, high quality and great features plus a shoulder pad to boot so I grabbed them. I was 100% happy with everything on the Sony's except the look ..it really sucked in my opinion but there was nothing else that came near it on the market.
Yes I kept them for 3 years and after seeing footage on the little FZ1000 I discovered that the "look" had come back ..so soft images that needed huge amount of work in post and despite the price and form factor I had to have them. Trust me, if Panasonic had taken the inner workings of the FZ1000 and put them in a shoulder mount camera still with the Leica lens and charged me $4000 instead of $1000 ..I would have bought those in a heartbeat. They didn't bring out what I wanted BUT the FZ had the look and IQ I wanted .... Yes it's a crappy form factor for video so I had to build rigs, yes it has no headphone socket but I'm a DIY fanatic so my A-Camera has dual receivers in a DIY mixer box that sits on the hotshoe and yes I can not only monitor audio but I can monitor left and right or a mix of both. There is no perfect camera as we are all different and have different needs but a few simple mods has fixed the FZ1000 so it works just right for me. OK, it's still not a shoulder mount (I COULD make it a shoulder mount) but at an all up weight of 1400 grams including the mic and rig on my B-Cam I don't need a SM any more.

Chris

Chris Harding August 25th, 2015 05:47 AM

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One last comment I missed ...I never used the EA-50 for stills ..some have but it never impressed me plus the form factor makes stills very tricky!!

Oh and Roger, the battery access mod was the easiest of all ..just a "T" shaped aluminium plate! I can even change cards and batteries on the tripod!!

Roger Gunkel August 25th, 2015 06:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Steve Burkett (Post 1896021)
I didn't realise the FZ1000 lacked a headphone socket. Well it has to justify that low price I guess. It's a feature not always needed but important on the few times that you do.

It has a mic socket but no headphone out, it does have audio meters on screen though and I use the headphone out on my radio receiver for listening to the audio, so not really a problem for me.

I recommend the FZ1000 as a camera very worth looking at for those whose criteria are similar to mine, although many have criteria that are very different of course.

Roger

Roger Gunkel August 25th, 2015 06:30 AM

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Oh and Roger, the battery access mod was the easiest of all ..just a "T" shaped aluminium plate! I can even change cards and batteries on the tripod!![/QUOTE]

Hi Chris,

That's a very easy and clever little mod of yours, but because I mount my camera with a simple screw mount to a wide base plate rather than the conventional tripod plate, it only takes two turns to release it to change the battery.

Roger

Steve Burkett August 25th, 2015 06:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Chris Harding (Post 1896026)
Hi Steve

OK, you asked for the long story so you are getting it!!

I don't recall asking for the long story, may have deserved it certainly, but surely didn't ask for it. :)

Don't get me wrong, its nice to see such a stalwart supporter of the video camera form factor embrace something similar in shape to the GH4. Just need to get you and Roger to embrace a 4/3 camera and invest in prime lenses and your conversion to the dark side will be complete. :)

Roger Gunkel August 25th, 2015 06:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Steve Burkett (Post 1896036)
I don't recall asking for the long story, may have deserved it certainly, but surely didn't ask for it. :)

Don't get me wrong, its nice to see such a stalwart supporter of the video camera form factor embrace something similar in shape to the GH4. Just need to get you and Roger to embrace a 4/3 camera and invest in prime lenses and your conversion to the dark side will be complete. :)

Steve if buying a 4/3 camera and lenses would bring me more income and more clients then I would. Possibly also if I was a camera enthusiast I would, but cameras are a means to an end for me and although I love my work, I use what does the job well for me. Where my extra investment comes in is in having at least two of all my cameras, so that I can indulge my passion for 3d video and photography.

Roger

Noa Put August 25th, 2015 07:57 AM

Re: Using the Panasonic Lumix FZ1000
 
Just curious, how do you shoot candle-lit dinners, do you use light all evening on the fz1000? I need at least a f2.0 lens to get me through the darkest venues, f2.8 or anything slower would be unusable, even at 6400 iso.

Chris Harding August 25th, 2015 08:08 AM

Re: Using the Panasonic Lumix FZ1000
 
Hi Steve

Firstly I did own a hacked GH1 along with lenses and it was an awesome camera. What I found difficult to manage was the form factor and trying to zoom on the barrel. If, of course I had persisted and made a little rig like I have now I probably would have GH4's now!! My GH1 continuous focus was rather poor too ..I used manual focus a lot but it's hard work and got tired of trying to zone focus bridal parties coming down the aisle. On my EA-50's the Sony lenses sucked as they are very slow for weddings so I ended up going full manual with my Nikon mount lenses so had the same issue!!

I know you sent the FZ1000 back but the continuous focus is just like a video camera ...really really good!! I can lock onto a bride walking down the aisle, do a 180 turn as she walks past me and up to the groom and never a focus issue!! That made me decide to buy another one and sell the 2nd EA-50. I actually use my A-Cam just with push to focus (no continuous) and it never drifts ..My B -Cam has continuous so I usually push to focus on the shutter and then let continuous take over ....My GH1 never could do that (Then again the new GH4 would be a lot better I assume?)

Do I want to change lenses or use primes ??? Not really!! more to carry and at the last wedding the FZ1000 did speeches under just 2 tiny ceiling halogen lights above the bridal table..I was amazed.. no noise and the IQ was great ..My EA-50 would have struggled to cope!! I use a video light only during the first dance when they turn all the lights off otherwise despite what people say the F2.8 lens and 1" sensor handle receptions with ease. Why would I want to change lenses ...25 to 400 is more than enough ..25 to 100 would have been enough at our weddings!! I got tired of dust and dirt getting onto my EA-50 sensor ..even grass clippings on one shoot!!

Enough reasons??? I think if you had given it a whirl before sending it back you might have been quite surprised ... I certainly wouldn't swop it for an RX10 .. I don't like the soft and washed out look of SLOG and LUT settings anyway ...I prefer sharp clean footage ...personal taste of course !!

Darren Levine August 25th, 2015 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Noa Put (Post 1896043)
Just curious, how do you shoot candle-lit dinners, do you use light all evening on the fz1000? I need at least a f2.0 lens to get me through the darkest venues, f2.8 or anything slower would be unusable, even at 6400 iso.

even though the 5d2 is full frame, the fz1000 is newer enough that i found that the iso performance not that far off. i never shot an event with the fz1000 but with the 5d2 i had a low light event and for the few shots i had to squeeze iso6400 (really nasty on the 5d2), the red channel was the particular noise offender and dropping those levels in post made the shot a lot more reasonable.

that, and using 1/24 shutter, or even a notch lower if it's people just sitting and not moving much.

and wow, i just realized i filmed a review of the fz1000 and never editing/posted it! i'm losing it...

Chris Harding August 25th, 2015 08:20 AM

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Hi Noa

This reception had some totally dimmed down domestic lights on the ceiling and then just a bunch of candles ...OK it's not a total candlelit dinner but it was pretty dark. I used the video light only on the dancing dimmed right down and in error during two guest comments and even dimmed it blew out their faces. The only two extra lights were two little halogens high up in the ceiling over the bridal table. I KNOW my EA-50's had bigger sensors that they never would have handled this lighting without a video light ALL the time!!! I guess the signal processing is getting better on new cameras???


Chris

Noa Put August 25th, 2015 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Chris Harding (Post 1896044)
despite what people say the F2.8 lens and 1" sensor handle receptions with ease. Why would I want to change lenses ...25 to 400 is more than enough ..

But at 400 it would be f4.0, it looks like your receptions are much better lit then mine, f2.8 without using extra light doesn't cut it for me at almost all receptions I end up. Shooting at f4.0 on the teleside would make the camera unusable.

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Originally Posted by Chris Harding (Post 1896044)
I certainly wouldn't swop it for an RX10 .. I don't like the soft and washed out look of SLOG and LUT settings anyway ...I prefer sharp clean footage ...personal taste of course !!

Slog is "a" preset you can use but you can use a "standard" one if you want which can make the colour pop from the screen.

Steve Burkett August 25th, 2015 08:27 AM

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Chris, you're confusing me with someone else. Never owned a FZ1000, so never had 1 to return. I think someone started a thread on multiple cameras who returned a FZ1000, which I contributed to. I've never needed to return a camera, I do enough research and know my needs before buying one. The FZ1000 isn't one I'd buy for various reasons I've already gone into. The RX10 maybe if I have the money and only for certain shots relating to church Weddings. However it's lack of continuous recording is a hindrance as I can't use it for a 2nd camera, making its application restrictive.

My quip on converting you and Roger to 4/3s was just that, a quip. Honestly you and Roger coming down on any sentence that ends with the words 'conversion to the dark side' and I can't help feel you're both drinking too much coffee, or not enough depending on perspective.

I prefer sharp footage too, hence my love of 4k. However if the new v log function comes out for the GH4, I'll be giving it a whirl. Theres too many shots outdoors where dynamic range struggles to not feel the benefit of it.

Noa Put August 25th, 2015 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Darren Levine (Post 1896045)
even though the 5d2 is full frame, the fz1000 is newer enough that i found that the iso performance not that far off

The only reason I don't use my rx10 at darker receptions is because the f2.8 lens is too slow, even at it's highest iso settings which is very noisy, the camera is not a bad low light performer either but anything slower then f2.0 needs extra light and that is not what I want at weddings, I want to show it like I can see it with my own eyes without having to go back to my canon xh-a1 years where I had to blind all guests with my videolight. Being able to film people without them noticing me is a very important factor when choosing a camera and/ or lenses, you just cannot use a videolight if you want to capture natural behaviour.

Chris Harding August 25th, 2015 08:37 AM

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Doh!!!! I sincere apologies mate .. it was Steve Bleasdale who ordered one and sent it back not you ..I'm mixing up the names as you are both Steve B.

My error totally ..the other Steve uses Canon 70D and 6D and then bought an RX10 and FZ1000 and sent the Panasonic back!!!

Chris Harding August 25th, 2015 08:45 AM

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Hi Noa

I know the limitations so everything is shot at 25mm so I have F2.8 ..I've seen some of your weddings and yes they are crazy ...you would need that fancy Voigtlander F0.95 prime to shoot at some of your venues ..Most of my venues are way better lit than this one ...I was playing with a few table stills on the camera during the night and at F2.8 it wanted a shutter speed of 1/10!!! The image of course was blurry!!!

I think at that reception even your GH4 would have struggled at F4 but should have been better at F2.8 with the bigger sensor ..Funny my EA-50's with the Sigma F2.8 continuous lens and APSC sensor at the very same venue and lighting last year really battled ..I had to use a light all night ..yet it has a much bigger sensor???

Noa Put August 25th, 2015 08:50 AM

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I think at that reception even your GH4 would have struggled at F4
That's why I like you can put on any lens on the gh4 depending on the situation, the GH4 would not struglle at that reception but it would have a f1.4 lens on it :)

Steve Burkett August 25th, 2015 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Chris Harding (Post 1896051)
Doh!!!! I sincere apologies mate .. it was Steve Bleasdale who ordered one and sent it back not you ..I'm mixing up the names as you are both Steve B.

My error totally ..the other Steve uses Canon 70D and 6D and then bought an RX10 and FZ1000 and sent the Panasonic back!!!

I'd have sent the 2 Canons back myself, but there's no accounting for taste. :)

Nigel Barker August 25th, 2015 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Roger Gunkel (Post 1896010)
At some point, something will come on the market that ticks all my boxes and adds even more like built in ND filter, headphone monitoring, wide ranging smooth zoom speed and easier battery accessibility on tripod, plus a price point that I can justify.

That would be the Sony RX10M2 except possibly for your last criterion. It's got super slo-mo too.

Roger Gunkel August 25th, 2015 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Nigel Barker (Post 1896063)
That would be the Sony RX10M2 except possibly for your last criterion. It's got super slo-mo too.

Trouble is Nigel I am really not a Sony Fan :-(

Roger

Colin Rowe August 25th, 2015 04:32 PM

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The FZ1000 is an exceptional performer in low light/high iso

Chris Harding August 25th, 2015 05:21 PM

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Like Roger I struggle getting what I want from the Sony look! Technically they are brilliant cameras and I never had a single issue with my EA-50's so the RX10 build should be just as good including the features.

Sorry I tried every Picture Profile under the sun on my Sony's and every bit of footage I shot over 3 years was adequate but just did nothing for me and I could never get the result. Put the Panasonic in standard mode with no parameter changes whatsoever and BAM ..that's what I was looking for.

Sorry Sony but I agree with Roger I'm not a Sony fan either!!

Roger Gunkel August 25th, 2015 05:29 PM

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I haven't had a problem with the FZ1000 in low light and find the general judging of a camera from the spec on it's low light performance to be somewhat shortsighted. I get better low light performance from the FZ1000 than from my Panasonic video cameras that have served me well for a long time. I have only ever filmed 3 weddings in candlelight in 30 years, all 3 successfully, so it is not a great priority for me. If I have one next week and I need more light, I will talk diplomatically to the venue or DJ about raising the lighting slightly, and if that is not possible, use just enough subtle light of my own to raise the level enough for my requirements. A surprisingly small amount of extra bounced light can give great results without killing any atmosphere or blinding guests as has been suggested.

I find many more times during wedding filming where there are much more important issues for a videographer than low light. These include missing an important unexpected shot through having to change lenses, needing a deep DOF when you have a lens on for shallow DOF, having to use a portable sound recorder because the onboard audio quality is too poor to use an external mic, poor or no auto or follow focus for fast moving shots, having to carry a supply of lenses or cameras for different situations. Those are some of the things that can make using a DSLR at a wedding problematic at times. Using more than one camera with different lenses or a second shooter can certainly help of course. There are also higher spec pro video cameras that remove some of those problems, but at a premium and for someone like me who also requires good quality stills, they are not very suitable.

A camera like the FZ1000 offers a comparatively new approach to both filming and stills, with it's larger and more efficient sensor than many video cameras, good telephoto range with Leica lens, fully manual controls and very efficient and fast automatic focus, stabilisation, image levelling etc. Couple that with zebra zoning, peaking, focus assist, audio level meters, high speed filming, stills during video filming and may other latest add ons and you have a rather useful little camera. Oh and I forgot to mention 4K video with the ability to lift stills in camera from 4K video and the excellent price.

OK, so I am countering some of the negatives expressed about the camera, and I fully appreciate that many here would want to get the highest possible quality currently available from big sensor cameras for their work, rather than a camera like the FZ1000. Interchangeable lenses are also something that many prefer to work with and a camera like the FZ1000 would just not fit their requirements. There are also a number of people that may well consider this little camera for fast run and gun work like weddings, whether it is another tool in the toolkit or the main tool. The times they are a changing and it won't be long before full frame bridge cameras are making big inroads into the traditional video and still camera arenas.

Roger

Chris Harding August 25th, 2015 05:39 PM

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Hi Roger

I wonder if it's just the price point that puts people off the camera? A lot of wedding videographers and photographers seem to think that they have to spend a fortune so they won't be mocked in the field..I had a photog boast that she was in debt to Canon's finance department so over $40,000 so for people that insist on the fanciest and the best and especially like to tell everyone about it at every opportunity, are certainly not going to be seen dead with a sub-$1000 "toy" in their gear listing.

Their loss not ours!!!

Colin Rowe August 25th, 2015 05:43 PM

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Thats about it Chris

Roger Gunkel August 25th, 2015 05:58 PM

Re: Using the Panasonic Lumix FZ1000
 
I do agree on the price point deterring some people, it is difficult to believe that a camera at that price could be worth considering. I also think that there are other factors though including having spent a lot of time and money building up a full kit of camera and lenses to reach a specific goal. Then there is a natural reluctance to accept that something like the FZ1000 could carry out many of the tasks equally well and in some cases better than that carefully built kit at a fraction of the price.

Good glass is not cheap, frequently costing more for a lens than the FZ1000, plus it can be used with a later upgrade to a newer camera body. I see it differently, where a commitment to a particular type of lens can lock you into a limited upgrade path. I like to feel that the Panasonic gives me the quality that I need now, at a price that enables me to purchase future models that significantly add to the quality and facilities that I want without breaking the bank or locking me into a make or path.

Roger

Steve Burkett August 26th, 2015 12:06 AM

Re: Using the Panasonic Lumix FZ1000
 
It is interesting to read such entrenched yet narrow views. So I'm not looking to buy the FZ1000, so that makes me a gear snob eh. Really. I'm also not thinking of buying the Canon XC10, a camera of significantly greater price and for much the same reason. Lack of constant aperture in the zoom. As Chris said, he keeps his camera wide to keep the aperture at 2.8 when the venues lights are low. A restriction I'd prefer not to have.

Face the facts guys, the Sony RX10 2 outclasses the FZ1000 on features, just not on price. If other Videographers have the money and like the Sony look, why shouldn't they prefer that camera to yours. There are so many cameras on the market to choose from and your reaction is to almost feel snubbed others aren't joining you in the FZ1000 love. Do you need others to buy it to justify your choice? The FZ1000 betrays its price point, lack of NDs, no headphone socket and a poor zoom. If I can afford better, why should I buy a more restrictive camera than what I currently have. If I buy a bridge camera, I'd want it to resolve the issues of my GH4, not give me new ones. I need some internal ND filter, a long lens with a constant aperture, decent zoom, superior slomo. Or else why bother. As it is, the 29 min limit is a big cross for me.

So the FZ1000 can carry out the tasks equally well or better than the GH4 say with a zoom lens on. Interesting but narrow point of view. Also the inference that I buy to impress people with my kit. Well of course I do, natural that couples and Guests are just flocking to me to say how impressed they are by my gear. Yeah right. Actually I hate it when people do come over and discuss gear. I'm there to work, not have cosy geeky little chats. My gear is oddly enough to help me do a better job and work to the style my clients expect. Remember I'm not trying to do photo and video, just the video. My criteria is therefore quite different. I've seen a noticeable shift this year in clients expectations. Discussions about the type of shots they like I've never experienced before. Several have referenced a company called Bloomsbury as a standard they like to see from me. Okay that last bit irritates me, but an indication of how expectations for different companies can differ.

I use primes because they're the right tool for the job. I also have several zooms, used frequently when time is restricted and I need to respond to different scenarios. This idea of missing a shot as I'm changing a lens is just pure fiction, a conceit to justify your choice and opinion. I use Primes during Bridal Preps, Reception drinks, the Photo Session and Evening Dancing. I have a small bag on my person with a selection and if needed can change a lens in less than 10 seconds. I have missed shots for many other reasons like being in the wrong spot, not close enough or not even there if outside when the moment happened. Never for changing a lens. So please remove this stupid notion that using interchangeable lenses leads to missed shots. I have zooms when on the go and primes when I have the time for quality.

Now I'm sure the FZ1000 is a great little camera and handles low light well, but better than a GH4 with a 1.2 lens or a voigtlander 0.95. Those lenses have delivered quality when lights have been very low. Now I've seen my GH4 footage in low light at 2.8 and its comparable to the FZ1000, but I've also seen the footage at 1.2. It's a thing of beauty and bares no comparison.

And isn't liking the Panasonic look locking you to a particular path just as much as say investing in lenses. If you can't consider the RX10 as you don't like the look, then what's the point of all that flexibility. Chris used this flexibility to get the EA50 after a Panasonic camera and now moans about the sterile footage he got. Hardly a ringing endorsement for this ability to jump ship.

Noa Put August 26th, 2015 12:43 AM

Re: Using the Panasonic Lumix FZ1000
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Harding (Post 1896097)
I wonder if it's just the price point that puts people off the camera?

It's not the pricepoint, the rx10 mark 1 is now also just 850 euro, half the price of a mark 2 and about 100 euro more expensive then the fz1000 but I would have no issue in getting a rx10 mark 1 because it has better videofeatures then he fz1000. Having a stepless irisring on the lens would be for me a very important feature for run and gun, also having a constant f2.8 lens is more important then a slower lens and longer zoom and being able to use a nd also makes a difference. 4k is less interesting on a camera that doesn't allow me to shoot more then 30 minutes because I only use 4k during ceremonies or speeches when I want to be able to crop the image in post.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Roger Gunkel
I haven't had a problem with the FZ1000 in low light and find the general judging of a camera from the spec on it's low light performance to be somewhat shortsighted.

I don't use specs alone to judge low light, I try to find user videos that show the difference, you might have to take some reviews with a grain of salt because not all tests are done correctly but if you find a few videos that all show the same results I"m pretty sure how to assess the camera's low light performance, like in the 3 videos I posted below.

The low light performance is not bad on this camera, it's comparable with the rx10, but if I had to shoot with a f2.8 - f4 lens all day I would be in trouble in most of the venues I end up and I had to resort to a stronger videolight which I honestly want to avoid at all costs. Shooting wide all the time like Chris said would limit my options considerably, currently I shoot with a 42mm and a 75mm a lot on my gh4 at reception, it would be impossible to get nice headshot closeups with the fz1000 from a distance at f4 and I can't imagine standing a meter away from all people because I have to shoot at f2.8 with a light.

It's ok if the camera works for you two to cover an entire wedding day but it would not work for me, I need a mixture of either better run and gun camera's or camera's with fast primes for shooting in low light or to get creative shots to achieve the result I deliver now, something that would not be possible on a few fz1000's.





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