Really? I still remember the Group f/64 that argued for using the smallest aperture possible Group f/64 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I've edited your post to replace the "tinyurl" link with the actual link. Don't post tinyurl links to this site. Just post the actual link.

if you can show me a picture in a dark room, with a shallow DOF with F64 that would be great! of course if you shoot landscapes and you want to keep everything in focus you'll go to higher aperture. simple physics. but hardly any point, since pretty much every camera even with a small chip will do fine, right?

http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/1022940-post9.html

My original post, Liza, was not about attaching something to the camera to get sound in. It was about attaching headphones to the camera so you could monitor what the camera was recording. Even if the camera has manual gain, without the ability to monitor, how do you adjust that gain?

Your original criticism was about sharpness, not shallow DOF. That's what had me confused.

These things go hand in hand. The reason these lenses go only to F4.0 is that there is a lot of distortion around the outside edges. By allowing the blades to open only to F4.0 they eliminate the issue. But the sacrifice is a low light performance and DOF.

Very true. I own some cheap Sigma lenses from years and years ago. They had big apertures for the money, but really sacrifice performance at the corners. As I see it, they just opened the blades wider in order to get the desired spec.

Maybe... but a big part of the 5D appeal, at least for me, is it's low light performance. Even with the manual control, if the low light capabilities on this camera aren't there then I'd rather deal with the 5D's quirks. The one sample we've seen so far looks like it could compete, but it'll take more tests to know for sure - and faster lenses.

Another point of difference is that the 5D's FF sensor is greater DOF control. At the same field of view and aperture, the GH1's DOF is double that of the 5D. So, for example, using the stock lens at 25mm f4, the GH1 will yield the same effective field of view and aperture as a 50mm lens at f8 on the 5d. The greater range of fast primes available (particularly at the wide end) compounds the 5D's DOF control advantage, if super tight DOF is an effect you're after.

Having said that, the GH1 still affords much greater DOF control than even 2/3" video cameras, and if the codec holds up, I might look at selling my 5D for the vastly superior exposure control of the Panny.

Back to the initial subject of this thread...

With the 14-140mm, 1550 euro:
Presse - Neueste Meldungen - 130 / 2008 / März 2009 / Neues Micro Four Thirds-Superzoom-Wechselobjektiv - Deutschland

With 7-14mm, 1250 euro:
Presse - Neueste Meldungen - 129 / 2008 / März 2009 / Neues Micro Four Thirds-Wechselobjektiv - Deutschland

Release date: end of May.

it's 1250 EUR for the 7-14 mm ONLY !!! That's steep for a prosumer lineup (although probably justified for such an extreme lens).

"Das LUMIX G VARIO 7-14 mm / F4.0 ASPH. wird ab Ende Mai für UVP 1.250 Euro im Handel erhältlich sein." (for those indulging in occasional German speaking)

Also, please remember our nasty 19% value added tax (or sales tax) included in the announced release price in both cases. Relation between announced and street prices is probably similar to the US.

thanks for this great find!!

According to this thread on dpreview, at a press event yesterday Panasonic revealed the Canadian MSRP will be $1899 and it will be available in May:

GH1 msrp announced [Page 1]: Panasonic Talk Forum: Digital Photography Review

B&H has a product page up and lists "Approx. Arrival June".

See here:

Panasonic | Lumix DMC-GH1 Digital Camera (Red) with 14-140mm

LOL. In the context of this forum I think this reads really absurd.

Am I allowed to insert "poor man's" after the "("

Just so you know, I didn\'t type that in.
I would have said \'funny\' rather than \'absurd\', but it fits either way.