Call it haste, but I'm out of the GH1 interest. Goin for the 5DMkII. As someone had predicted, "you can wait for other cameras to come out, but the look of the 5DMkII will get under your skin." - and it has.
So far for the GH1, here's what it came down to. I'm seeing bad noise from the GH1, intermittent banding, not as much latitude, no pulldown flags on the 60i, 2x crop factor, slow lenses in the 4/3rds line, and overall, I'm not seeing the magic in the images. I'm sure people will make this camera dazzle, but I have gotten addicted to the 5DMkII look. I'll deal with the lack of manual controls and 30p frame rate. I have a lot of ways to get around both. Plus I like the thought of easier workflow with the .mov files out of the 5D - I can easily mount the CF card, pull out some select clips in QuickTime Player Pro, and save it out. The full frame sensor rocks beyond belief. And on top of it, I can easily rent lenses for it, and it's truly a pro still photography camera. I opted out of the f4 kit lens and went for the cheaper EF 28-135mm f/3.5-5.6 IS lens, so I have something for simple auto-focus photography. All my other lenses are Nikon. Thought I'd share my mindset for anyone deliberating. Now I unsubscribe from GH1 threads. -steev |
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Another example where the shallow DOF craze is more important than a good a good story. Cinematography and film making is not only about depth of field. |
I'm back! To begin with, I have since reconsidered and may end up buying a GH1 as well. My 5DMkII will be here tomorrow. I'll admit, "Writing off" the GH1 was necessary at the time for me to commit to buying the 5DMkII. It's been analyzed a lot that decision making, while as technical as we may want it to be, often becomes purely emotional. And the emotional response to the GH1 footage so far has been - eh, hmm, well, I don't know, well, oh wow, that looks awesome, but then a bunch of it looks pretty boring. By contrast, footage from the 5DMkII has consistently captivated and interested me from the very start.
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2) This GH1 clip shows some strange banding on it in the beginning of the clip: http://www.holyzoo.com/content/dslr/GH1_Sample14.mp4 Sure it's web compressed, but that's not what's causing this. Quote:
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With that said, I do agree that shallow DOF isn't everything, and often dof chosen is way too shallow. For example, I still prefer to see events and sports with a great DOF (most things in focus). I also agree that the GH1 sensor size has plenty of shallow DOF - read my prior posts on that. Quote:
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A lot of people deciding to use this professionally despite the limitations, and I'd say they aren't just wooing their friends in the living room.
Shot entirely on 5DMkII - The Other Side - Ghost Whisperer - CBS.com 5DMkII used on select shots - YouTube - Hoobastank - So Close, So Far And a ton of professional wedding videos (they make money). The list is getting mighty long now. I'm surprised by the ambition taken with this camera. Collectively, people are saying "we're going to use this no matter what." It'll be interesting to see if the GH1 makes it as far in usage. I think it probably will. -steev |
GH1 and Jello effect when panning fast.
From what I have read, GH1 has a problem with jello effect when panning fast. I tried this with my 5D2 and can't seem to see any jello effect. Plus night shot with 5D2 is really good. I wonder if the smaller 4/3 sensor will do well in low light. So far we have seen footage of GH1 night shot at low resolution. Wonder how it would look on a FullHD tv.
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Actually the skew is much better in the GH-1 as compared to the D90 and 5Dll.
Edit: Check out this video. First part is handheld (shakey)...but looking at this tells me if a decent DOP got his hands on this cam like Vincent L. then there would be lots of beautiful pictures. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8t7xHgOHxl8&fmt=22 |
You cannot mention d90 and 5dmii in the same sentence here. The d90 is much worse I believe... About the GH1 I've heard very conflicting information about this, I guess we'll just have to wait a little bit longer before we know anything at all about that one.
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On the Jello, it's still a case of waiting for real tests. Interestingly, I heard about a new helmet cam today, ContourHD Helmet Camera Features It's designed for fast action, but still appears to suffer from some rolling shutter problems. Cool little helmet cam though. Adrian |
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If I wanted more control? I may buy the GH1 when it's available, go throw together my Redrock Micro on my HVX, rent a Red One, or later this year or eventually S35 Scarlet may be in my hands on a daily basis. The 5DMkII is for a different purpose for me. Quote:
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So, yeah, if you think differently about focal lengths and don't care about fast wides, and invest in some 4/3rds lenses, the GH1 can be pretty awesome. Bottom line for me - I see the GH1 as a killer tool. The footage I've seen this week has been impressive and changed my mind on a few points. However, my observation on compression artifacts seems to be correct. And with that, I think I may be done with the dichotomous "this or that" part of the debate. I may end up owning both. Or wait until my employer pays for the Scarlet S35. -steev |
Fei Meng...it absolutely looks that way. For starters check out this clip of a train. Halfway through you will see a traini zipping by very fast....take notice of the skew. It's so minimal that I'm shocked to say the least. Don't get me wrong...it's definitely present...but if that were the D90 or 5Dll...the lean would look a lot more.
YouTube - LUMIX GH1 ????? And if you want to see some great shots....check out Phil Bloom's stuff on Vimeo here. Thia was shot using the slow(er) stock lens. Panasonic Lumix GH1. First footage on Vimeo Imagine Panasonic decided to put this in their camcorders. |
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Now I'm a bit confuse with DOF in FF and Cropped Sensor:
I did two test with a 5D MKII ImageShack - Image Hosting :: 5dmkii200mmf28.jpg and with a Cropped Sensor 400D ImageShack - Image Hosting :: 400d200mmf28.jpg Maybe I'm wrong but I'm not getting the same DOF in booths Test. The Focus is in 20mm Thanks |
I think you posted this in the wrong section of the forum.
But to answer your question, I don't think DOF has anything to do with what size sensor you use. As long as your lens aperture is set the same, the same DOF effect will happen no matter what size sensor it is. Just that the field of view of a larger sensor is more than that of a smaller sensor. Imagine the 400D image is cropped from part of the 5DmkII image. That's what it is essentially. Just my thoughts. |
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