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Lots of tree shots with a leica lens.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPMo9LwYUug

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Originally Posted by Josh Dahlberg (Post 1134319)

I think people are just trying to evaluate the camera's performance (including its potential weaknesses) in order to make an informed decision about whether to place an order; at least that's true in my case.

That's fine, if the people who are doing it are truly trying to be objective, without any preconceived notions or agendas in mind.

The people who were nitpicking the "Reverie" footage, clearly seemed to me to have an agenda on their minds. It felt like they were belittling a product that was never truly intended to compete with the object of their cult-like worship (and I, as a RED fanboy, count myself as one of them). Luckily, someone else on the forum then chastised them and posted a more representative screen-grab. The point is that objective people would try to place every observation in context, rather than trying to use nitpicks to build a slanted case against something. You can't cherry pick from the worst case scenario just to say, "OMG look how bad it is!"

So what I was trying to do was put Steev's example into the proper context, which is simply that whatever artifacts he was seeing weren't as bad as those often seen in D90 and 5D Mk II footage, nor were they representative of GH1 footage in general. Aside from the screen-grab from Barry's clip, I had to look really hard before I saw what he was seeing. This indicates that the stair-stepping artifacts are practically negligible. Steev, on the other hand, has made no attempt to qualify his examples. His wording seems to suggest that he's trying to place the flaws in the GH1 footage on the same level as those from the D90 and 5D Mk II (in other words, he's making a big deal out of it), which is not borne out by the evidence.

I also happen to be a 5D Mk II owner, and I was intending on keeping my camera for at least a few months. Only in the last couple of days have I been slowly won over by the GH1. It hasn't been easy; I still love my 5D even with its limitations. I gave myself over to the GH1 after making a concerted effort to be fair to its capabilities. In my opinion, would the GH1 produce images as nice as the 5D? Probably not. But the small hit to picture quality (and, let's face it, ego) is outweighed by the massive gains everywhere else. Steev is someone who has admitted that he's in love with the 5D's images and is absolutely partial to them. Good for him. But that doesn't mean that he should present a distorted assessment of the GH1's limitations to everyone else.

Fei, I respect what you're saying. Truth be told, I posted that I ruled the GH1 out and pulled the trigger on the 5DMkII. It helped to finally make the purchase. However, I have since felt like I'll probably end up owning both!

What I was reporting was my alarm at finding this stair-case/stair-stepping in HF S100 footage, and looked for similarity in GH1 footage and saw it. However, with closer investigation I believe this artifact is coming from something other than the video being wrapped in 1080i. So my 1080i theory is flat out wrong. And that is good!

However, this GH1 file is what gave me alarm:
http://www.holyzoo.com/content/dslr/...24_205752.m2ts
Screenshot - http://www.holyzoo.com/content/dslr/20090424_205752.jpg

The stairstepping is pretty bad. So again, I was wrong about this being a 1080i thing. It's something else going on.

To echo Josh's thoughts, yes, these cameras are subject to brutal scrutiny.

For the record, this clip finally got me pretty impressed with the GH1:

YouTube - Test: Panasonic LUMIX DMC-GH1 - Pt.1

So, I'm continuing to check these threads. To Fei's point, I'll try to be objective, but that doesn't mean I'm not going to compare it to other cameras, including the 5DMkII. For instance, what none of these cameras can manage to compete with is a global shutter-based camera. If I know strobe lights and fast motion are involved (sports), I'll still be grabbing my HVX200.

-steev

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Originally Posted by Steev Dinkins (Post 1134486)

However, this GH1 file is what gave me alarm:
http://www.holyzoo.com/content/dslr/...24_205752.m2ts
Screenshot - http://www.holyzoo.com/content/dslr/20090424_205752.jpg

I'm almost certain that is not the camera native - that looks like classic interlacing errors in encoding or something. I just saw a bunch of EX1 1080 footage with the same issue when put to DVCam and projected

YouTube - LUMIX GH1 ?????

I must say, this is looking sweet. They got the pulldown right and playing solid at 24p. Download the HD version off YouTube.

Some test shot I have found in Vimeo.

The uploader is using some kind of adapter to fit some Nikkor lens. Here it is.

Panasonic GH1 + Nikkor Ais28mm/f.2.0 on Vimeo

you can check out my test footage, first time using the camera so forgive me, at the end of my blog entry here Philip Bloom Blog Archive Panasonic Lumix GH1 first impressions and first footage

Dylan,

nice post. I think above all you show that lighting and lenses other than the stock 14-140mm will make this camera shine.

The flamingos are beautiful (canon 300mm) while the other shots are OK.

Static Dog Shot.

G VARIO HD 14-140 f4.7 vrs summulux 1f.4, 25mm
YouTube - Lumix GH1 video test SUMMILUX 25mm/F1.4 low light

Download original avchd file here
http://files1.dougahiroba.com/dl/ansho.zip

slow motion test short film knocked off with gh1 and gorillapod!

Philip Bloom Blog Archive Kauai sunset: LUMIX GH1 slow motion

Lots of Yachts in harbour, tripod shots (with nice music)
YouTube - Nishinomiya Yacht Harbor (Panasonic DMC-GH1 Test)

First handheld Hawaiian Music concert shot on a gh1

YouTube - ?????????????????? (1:26 reminded me of the original panasonic shots like the colors and look in the one below)

YouTube - Panasonic Lumix DMC-GH1 Sample 17