I meant AVCHD vs., say M-JPEG, not HDV.

That's odd that you're having so much difficulty editing Cineform files. Your specs far exceed mine, and I have little difficulty using Cineform AVI files. What NLE are you using? I'm using Vegas 8.0c.

As I said, the only experience I have with h264/AVCHD is the Kodak Zi6. But it does not produce AVI output - instead, it uses MOV.

Liquid has to convert this to something it understands, and that takes a long time.

Neo doesn't understand the audio for some reason. It shows it being there, but always puts it in a non-audio track.

Hi Paul,

I am also still using Liquid, which was great at the time it came out but unfortunately seems utterly neglected (is it officially discontinued?).

Liquid transcoding it yet another time totally defies the purpose of Cineform I think. What I do instead (downloaded some GH1 files to try the workflow) is to encode to HDV compatible MPEG with 1.5 to twice the datarate. I use TMPG Enc. which is recognised as one of the best MPEG encoders. After that I can edit the footage just like HDV, which works absolutely great on Liquid (and fully native).
It's nowhere near a pure cineform workflow but a lot better than AVCHD -> Cineform -> Mysterious Codec -> Liquid. And, pixel peeping I could hardly see the difference between the AVCHD original and the double datarate HDV (apart from x-axis resultion in 1080).

Hope that helps,

Thomas

According to the manual, on page 185, in AVCHD mode you can record up to the capacity of the memory card or 1 h with a 8GB card. In motion JPEG mode, the maximum is 2GB or about 8 min.

Thanks Bert.

I see that the camera will accept up to 32GB cards, so time shouldn't be an issue.

Perhaps the reason I feel that 24p isn't the issues is because having lived in Japan and also seeing many Korean HD productions -- all of which were shot at 60i -- everything else was done as though it were an expensive film. I had no problem getting addicted to Korean and Japanese contemporary and historical drama. I have to wonder how many of those who "believe" in 24p have lived for long periods in other cultures who have different media expectations and experiences. The USA in terms of video and movies is no longer the center of the universe.

Perhaps this is why the Japanese don't always see the need to meet "our" video needs and tend to ignore Europe. Asia is where the action is. Camcorders for China -- now that's a business.

And, even in the USA -- the advent of 120Hz/240Hz/480Hz HDTVs with frame interpretation means that 24p will be 24p only in theaters. And, in Region 50, TV's have been 100Hz for a decade -- so folks don't really see 25fps.

PS: with hours upon hours of HD movies available on cable, plus VUDU and BD -- is there really any reason to go to a multiplex using a video projector unless you are dating? I've got my own projector. Any movie in a theater will be on both BD and HBO in year or so. What's the hurry to see something I've already read?