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Steve Mullen July 6th, 2009 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Wacharapong Chiowanich (Post 1168124)
Now, I think I understand the options for 24p materials on 60Hz-multiple LCD TVs but what about 24p on 50Hz-multiple (PAL) LCD TVs? How could an LCD TV interpolate 24p output from a Blu-ray player into 50/100/200Hz display? Does something more with respect to spatial or temporal resolution have to give?

1) Repeat frames and run at an even multiple of 24 such as 72Hz (the best -- only done by the Kuro) or 120Hz.

2) Add 2-3 pulldown to 24p to get 60p than repeat each frame. (Bad)

3) Use an interpolator to create the necessary frames (Bad).

Fundamentally there is only one monitor -- the Panasonic Kuro -- that for sure does 24p with a refresh rate of under 100Hz (needed to keep film looking like film), doesn't use an interpolator which causes artifacts and "smooths" motion, and has 1000-lines of V rez. Plus has a great black level.

Since they are no longer made -- you'll have to look at 60Hz DLP. Or, we need tests run on the new LED-based LCDs runing at 120Hz. (Anything higher does nothing positive!)

PS 1: to clarify -- we want the "true" 24fps "sampling" judder but we want to eliminate the "false" 2-3 pulldown judder needed to record 24p in 60i.

PS 2: you may not feel 100Hz refresh itself causes film to look like video. I do becaue I come from a 60Hz world. However, as I said in my first post, I do NOT know if the changed "look" comes from repeating every frame twice or it comes from interpolating the tween frames.

Hard for a visitor to tell HOW the LCDs they see work. Maybe you can shed some light. Do all 100Hz look the same to you? Do some make 25fps film look like video? How do they work?

Steve Mullen July 6th, 2009 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Wacharapong Chiowanich (Post 1168124)
Now, I think I understand the options for 24p materials on 60Hz-multiple LCD TVs but what about 24p on 50Hz-multiple (PAL) LCD TVs? How could an LCD TV interpolate 24p output from a Blu-ray player into 50/100/200Hz display? Does something more with respect to spatial or temporal resolution have to give?

I just realized you asked about 24p in 50Hz. Your HDTVs also run at multiples of 60Hz -- which is why you also get to see NTSC.


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