Re: Re: Panasonic HDV...
 

<<<-- Originally posted by Lawrence Bansbach : <<<-- Originally posted by Peter Jefferson :
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-Prosumer DVX HDV solution . . .

U heard it here first.. ;) -->>>

HDV, by definition, is tape based. From everything I've read, the Panasonic P2-based camera will be partially compatible with HDV, but won't support 19-Mbps rate. -->>>

"HDV" seems to be being used as a catchall phrase for cheap HDDV by some lately. I don't think he meant that it would be tape based.

Re: Re: Re: Panasonic HDV...
 

<<<-- Originally posted by Jesse Bekas :

"HDV" seems to be being used as a catchall phrase for cheap HDDV by some lately. I don't think he meant that it would be tape based. -->>>

That was my point. "HDV" should not be used as a catchall phrase. It should be reserved for the consumer HD format that meets the specifications of the HDV consortium -- that is, a tape-based format that runs at 720p25/720p30 and 19 Mbps or 1080i50/1080i60 and 25 Mbps. I can readily understand why, from a marketing perspective, Panasonic might want to emphasize that its P2-based system is not HDV: it will (according to rumors) support both 720p and 1080i, data rates up to 50 Mbps, and maybe even 24p. And solid-state storage will become paractical when 32-GB P2 capacities drop to, say, $100 or so, or if Panasonic adopts another, cheaper, higher-bandwidth flash-card format, such as the recently announced Taiwanese standard, M-card, which will support data transfer of 120 megaBYTES per second and may eventually hold 2 terabytes of data.

here is the link to photos and info on the p2 DVCPro HD camera:

http://www.camcorderinfo.com/content/panasonic-p2-flash-pro-04_18_04.htm

More Photos:

http://www.cinematography.com/forum2004/index.php?act=Attach&type=post&id=101

http://www.cinematography.com/forum2004/index.php?act=Attach&type=post&id=102

Now here's something I could get my wallet around...;o)
Eat your heart out, Sony.

JVC *could* really make a killer cam, if they could get there sh*t together. They've had two models to practice on...

Panny *will* make a great cam, but I guess they will stick with 1/3 chips to protect their product line.

Bring it on, man!!

Holy Crap that's a sweet looking camera! Droooooool! I want, I want!

Strange that JVC and Panasonic end up being mentioned on such opposite terms in the same post... after all they are almost the same company.

Actually I think all these companies can make the great cams we want. They just wouldn't make enough money that way.

But then, when all the HDV smoke clears up... there will be Canon, patiently waiting to say the last word.

god i hope it doesnt look like that.. maybe for the dvc30 hdv equivalent, but i think they should keep the original DVX100 design and rework the stabiliser coz its sux.

As for the consortium, in all honesty, i dont blame pana for not being a part of it, but at the moment "HDV" this is all we have to use as a title until this format is officially announced.

Canon will be patiently waiting with HDV XL3, but it won´t be useful for nothing. In fact, people with XL2 have their crappy infinite ring, if they dont want it, spend 2000 $ on new lenses, if they cant afford so big lenses, get the adapter for still lenses and multiply their range by 7.2 (getting nice telescopes) or try the mini35 wich is quite a bit amount of money (men, 10.000 $!!). And if the want to try these "alternative adapters" sections, it will be impossible for them because of being really difficult to find relay mounts (or something like this, very instructive in any case).

And the tapes issue, of course. I don´t think they will hear us to get rid of them...

Good old Pana won´t need all of this... and will accept these alternative adapters easy with little work to get great results. I hope even will still be able to flip the image with the magnet, very good add-on indeed.

Anyway, being from Spain and new in this aspect... When is the NAB? any way to get info? Will be people from here getting into there and sending nice posts?

I was a normal person before knowing this forum... Now im just totally nuts about it, in just two weeks! I even get anxious about the NAB not knowing it before! Just nuts!

Peter...

<< at the moment "HDV" this is all we have to use as a title until this format is officially announced >>

Panasonic's format has been announced, and it's been around for awhile now. It's DVCPro HD. I have to agree that calling it "HDV" is really misleading, because it ain't HDV at all (and never will be).

Ivan...

NAB is the third week in April. I'll be there and so will many other DV Info Net members, I'm sure.

Thanks very much for the info Chris!

I will have to rely on you people here (it is well said?) to get what happened since magazines here don´t cover it very much (nothing). I wish i could go...

Thanks again to everybody!

for the same price....what would you prefer?

the normal DVX or the DVX HDV?

You guessed it all right...I would go for the normal DVX cause you can't trust new tehnologies. Too many problems with sound and distortion with the HDV cams.

> Too many problems with sound and distortion with the HDV cams.

What? Is this based on personal experience?

If, an HDV enabled DVX existed, it would surely be able to operate in non-HDV mode like the Sony FX1/Z1. So, you could always just use god 'ol DV with it's outdated DCT compression, anamorphic widescreen, standard resolution and linear audio.

I'm interested in the DVCPROHD that has been talked about.

Not sure about the P2 system. Still haven't found out the costs of the cards and currently they don't hold that much information.

Would like to see a tape as a back as well as recording to the card.

But if people say hey I'm happy with the old, will they make a lot of changes. If they hear people want changes they'll hopefully make those changes.

ive seen 128GB cards available... more than enough for 25mbps recording. Just take a card out on each jkob and dont think about changing tape :)

other cards work as adapters and allow the use of 4 SD cards
I hav a brochure here... i just wish i could post an image of it..