hm,

it looks that my source was not kidding... nice!


filip

p.s.

i just bought Z1...

no comments

I think that as long as this psonic camera is closer to 10k than to the fx1 - both the fx1/z1 one will be safe.

Now how low would the price have to be to make fx1/z1 purchasers consider this camera in their evaluations I don't know.

Its good for everybody that Panasonic is making a camera such as this, but I don't really think its going to effect much of us on the <$4k end of the spectrum.

I guess we'll all see soon though.

<<<-- Originally posted by Brandon Greenlee : http://www.camcorderinfo.com/content...B-with-24P.htm



So it records to MiniDV as well, eh? -->>>

no it wont do that.. they woudlnt go to this much trouble if it did.. it would defeat the purpose of P2. most likely it will have 2 p2 slots which can be removed on the fly...

Another term for dvcpro hd is dv100, a spec promoted by Pana and JVC since late 90's.

It uses the same error correction algorithm as dv25, but less compression (3 to 1 instead of 5 to 1), and of course larger resolution. 1280x720x60p at 8bit 4:2:2 sampling with 3:1 compression works out to 100mb (megabits not bytes). And like Dv25 its a lossy codec, but the same would apply to converting to mpeg2 also.

Seems Pana will have their version out before JVC. I half expect to see D9HD in the not so distant future even if JVC is part of the HDV consortium.

FYI, If I remember correctly, 1280x720 at 60p was supposed to be specifically for live sporting events.

A small correction, the compression ratio for DVCPRO50 is 3.3:1, but for DVCPRO-HD it's more like 6.7:1. It's capable of recording both 1080i and 720p. The new HDX400 is a DVCPRO-HD 1080i camera, and the VariCam is a DVCPRO-HD 720p camera.

> The new HDX400 is a DVCPRO-HD 1080i camera

Yes. So I had been led to believe... but the HDX100 is 720p, is it not?

We don't know yet. There's been no official release but I highly suspect it will be 720p. 1080 would be a hard bandwidth to pull off in this price range.

it'll be like the JVC build, native 720p, with 1080i upscalability...
in the end 720p is alot more eficient in editing , storage etc etc.. and you dont need a dual xeon to get results...

Hmm I wouldn't know about the dual Xeon since I use FCP... however: DVCPROHD is 100 Mbps for both 720p or 1080i, so in terms of bandwidth management there should be no difference.

As I understand it, the HDX100 will do 720p (as well as some sort of SD) and the HDX400 will do 1080i. What is not clear is if the model that supports 1080i will also do 720p or SD, or if they both have tape transports as well as the P2 slot. 720p60, at 100 Mbps, cannot be written to a standard DV tape. The cameras are also said to support various frame rates, and at least one of them will do 24p, which should bring the bandwidth down to 40 Mbps, still not low enough for an inexpensive tape transport, but --if my math is right-- low enough for a 16 Gbyte P2 card to hold almost an hour of video.

There actually was a press conference a few days ago where at least one of the new models were mentioned and some specs were revealed. Information from this conference, as well as informal conversations between members here and Panasonic insiders have leaked and this is why we are talking about this here. But Panasonic asked the press not to disseminate any information until a later date.

This is NOT about the consumerish mock-ups with a pistol grip and a super-8 like look. This might be the direct replacement of the DVX100 in Panasonic's prosumer front and it seems to directly compete with the Sony FX1/Z1.

<<<-- Originally posted by Ignacio Rodriguez :
This is NOT about the consumerish mock-ups with a pistol grip and a super-8 like look. This might be the direct replacement of the DVX100 in Panasonic's prosumer front and it seems to directly compete with the Sony FX1/Z1. -->>>

Ignacio, absolutely right on point one, it is not like any of the consumerish mock-ups with a pistol grip and a super-8 like look. Point two, no, it is not a replacement for the DVX100 and competition for the the FX1. It is competition for the Z1.

Hope that guides the thinking here.

Best,

Jan