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Brian Takats September 9th, 2005 08:08 AM

A Basic Step By Step White Balance/18% Grey
 
Hi everyone. I'm working on a documentary for the next three months where I will not have any control over lighting issues. This means I'll constantly have to Custom White Balance. I'll be using my new DVX-100a and also a little cheap panasonic that I bought a year ago. The film is a road trip film, the small camera has a little wide angle lens adapter on it, so that it can be placed in the car's dash and show both myself and the other person on the trip. The rest of it will be filmed with the dvx. Anyways I've been to film school and have kept up on this and a few of the other forums, but since I am new to this camera I'd love to have anyone and everyone give me some hints and tips- if not straight instructions on how to best make my original footage match up as closely as possible. Also a lot of the film will be on the fly, so the less I mess up now the better. I don't have a "true" white board, when I got my 18% yesterday I thought it would have it on the other side but it didn't. I'm going to a shop right now though to see if they have one.

What I'm hoping is that between the 18% and white balancing, that if I select a film speed, and assuming that the DVX is a certain ASA(I've read that it's somewhere just under 400) that I can get away without metering.

Thank you in advance I can't wait to read everyone's comments. Also if anyone would like more info on the film simply ask or email and you can also check out my progress at
http://brian.takats.net

Steve Roark September 9th, 2005 03:16 PM

Hi Brian. From a technical aspect, it might be impossible to closely match two very different cameras without a lot of test shots and tweeking (in camera and during post production). Having said that, you can come comfortably close by simply making sure both cameras are white balanced at the same source from the same angle at the same time. It doesn't have to be a $40 white card, matte photo paper will do the same job. The important thing is that both cameras have a completely identical reference.

If you want to get into some serious camera matching, you could conduct some test shoots using calibrated color charts and take them to an engineer who knows how to read a vectorscope and waveform monitor. He may be able to tweak the DVX100 to look like the cheap camera. (If you can get the cheap camera to look like the DVX100, Panasonic is in trouble.

The most important trick to get the audience not to notice camera cuts is to to have a very interesting script. Not a technical answer, but its often overlooked. If the audience is not buying the story, it won't matter if you're using Varicams. Tests prove that image quality takes a back seat to good story telling every time. Have fun and good luck!

Steve

Brian Takats September 9th, 2005 05:19 PM

Actually
 
I guess my question was really only directed at and about how to properly expose the DVX without metering, and basic instructions on how to do so. As far as my cheapo panasonic I'm really unconcerned with that footage matching, it is obvious that it is from a different source, and that's how I want it to be. I just really need help with my DVX. Essentially what should I do each time I turn the camera on in each lighting situation. I know that's a fairly ambiguous question but I would love someone to harrangue me with some specifics and knowledge.

1.) what is the ASA of my camera? was I right a little under 400?
2.) Does anyone actually reccomend me using 24p, since a lot of my shots will be exteriors and landscapes? It seems that 60 would make more sense.
3.) I would like to use 24p when I am doing interviews, they will be stationary shots, so will it look okay(compared to the obvious video look of the exteriors.
4.) How do I use an 18% grey? Is it primarily for color balance in post?

Thanks again~!

Glenn Chan September 9th, 2005 05:42 PM

Hey Brian,

I have a little information on exposure at my website.
http://www.glennchan.info/video/exposure/exposure.htm

Don't focus on whether to expose aggressively or conservatively but understand the differences between the two.

My results do not apply to your camera. The DVX100 can get a lot more complicated that the Sony PD100, because the DVX100 has lots of settings. In particular, the cinegamma gamma mode gives greater exposure latitude and you'll want to color correct that in post.

Once you figure out the optimal exposure for your camera (may be dependent on the scene):
You want to figure out how exposure correlates to what you see in the LCD/viewfinder and the zebra stripes.
One thing in particular to watch out for is viewing angle to the DVX100 LCD. You have to be right on- otherwise the colors will change. Or you may prefer to look at the LCD with a slight angle, as that may give slightly increased exposure range in the LCD (haven't tried this).
Watch out for glare on the lcd, you can block sunlight off if that is a problem (i.e. your hands, or gaffer tape + black matte paper).

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2.) Does anyone actually reccomend me using 24p, since a lot of my shots will be exteriors and landscapes? It seems that 60 would make more sense.
Try shooting at different frame rates and judge for yourself.

Pick something with high motion, like pans or handheld (and the camera operator is walking).

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3.) I would like to use 24p when I am doing interviews, they will be stationary shots, so will it look okay(compared to the obvious video look of the exteriors.
Mixed frame rates may get slightly annoying during editing, or maybe not.

Joshua Provost September 15th, 2005 03:38 PM

Brian,

For "exteriors and landscapes," wide shots I'll assume, you will want progressive scan for the higher resolution to capture the details.

What model is the little Panasonic that you have? If it's a GS400, that has good manual controls and picture adjustments, and I have been able to match it with a DVX100 without much trouble.

Your little camera probably can't do 24p, so what is you plan for incorporating that footage if you shoots exteriors and interviews in 24p?

Josh


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