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John McManimie May 19th, 2007 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Douglas Spotted Eagle (Post 682336)
OK John, if you're gonna put my name in a post along with Poynton's (His book sits next to my mastering system with the 2007 Broadcast Engineering guide) then I need to add "Buy my book."

Sorry, I have the two books I mentioned but I must admit that I haven't read your book... yet. :-)

Alex Raskin May 19th, 2007 05:04 PM

DSE, your website has the Second edition of your book.

Where can I get the Third edition you mentioned?

If it specifically covers Sony V1U, among other things, then I'm your customer :)

Bob Grant May 19th, 2007 05:05 PM

If you want some authorative information on the problems of shooting 24fps you would not go far wrong with the ASC:
http://www.theasc.com/
They currently have a Filmaking 101 package that includes lots of hard data from those who do it for a living and a 6 months subscription to their magazine which does contain a lot of useful tidbits.
Obviously shooting digital rather than film brings an additional set of challenges however starting with the rules that cinematographers use is a very good starting point. Or to look at it another way, if how you're shooting cause problems with film at 24fps then it's going to cause the same problems with 24p or 25p.

Douglas Spotted Eagle May 19th, 2007 05:12 PM

Alex, the third edition covers the V1, the V1 workflow for all major NLE's, the Canon cams, etc. Its' "going into" the third edition. In other words, it's still in finishing stages. We nearly ran dry at NAB (I'll boast a bit, for the third year in a row it was the best-selling book at NAB) and so decided we wouldn't reprint the second edition.

The book has now sold well over 100k copies, so we've decided that it merits a third edition.

John, my book (like both other HDV books available) is a joke by comparison to either Poynter's book or the 2007 edition of the Broadcast Engineer's handbook. The handbook is not only useful for every tidbit you need to be sure you're fitting standards, but it's also useful for anchoring umbrellas in a hurricane, dropping on attacking rats, or anything else that needs to be squished.

That is one monster book in 10pt type!

But it doesn't cover 24p production techniques. :-)

Greg Schlueter May 20th, 2007 02:43 PM

MY MONEY GOES TO... Optimal 24P SETTINGs to avoid JUDDER
 
Since we have some apparent competition in the arena over V1U (HDV) manuals... one of which I WILL purchase-- let me set the stage for a bidding war of sorts... the "best" advice on this subject will get my money and recommendations! (:). Please provide a clear taxonomy and/or considerations of what might eliminate or substantially minimize "judder" from V1U.... Looking for clarity, specificity, and inclusiveness.

i.e.,

1) Sharpness setting... on the lower side? Under 3 or 4?
2) V1U's custom settings... any other relevant?
3) Assumption of proper White Balancing (etc.)...
4) When not to use 24p because of no control over light (etc.)...?
5) Technique issues... angles... movement... distance...

Marcus Marchesseault May 20th, 2007 04:55 PM

I think what you really want isn't just a camera setting. Part of your solution is to set your shutter fairly low so that there is sufficient motion blur to soften the edges of objects that pass quickly by the camera. The other half of your solution is to compose your scenes in a way to reduce objects/subjects from moving across the camera field too quickly. You will need to pan slowly and not jerk the camera around. Objects that pass near the camera will need to move slowly or so fast that they simply blur.

Mike Dunning June 1st, 2007 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Douglas Spotted Eagle (Post 681970)
Greg, if you're going to shoot 24p, you'll find it helpful to learn some cinematography techniques vs shooting angles that you'd normally shoot with 60i. There are a lot of great books on the subject, or you might search out posts here from industry gurus like Chris Leong, Charles Papert, Nate Weaver, Greg Boston, or others that work heavily in 24p.

I believe there were some book titles mentioned in some other threads, but can't for the life of me remember what they were. If I recall correctly, there were some dealing specifically with 24fps/24p techniques. Would you, or anyone else, happen to recall any of these resources or know of any off the top of your head?


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