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Nick Hiltgen February 27th, 2005 12:26 PM

Shoulder mount for z1u
 
Is there any word on when a shoulder mount will be available for the z1u, note I'm not talking about the ghetto $300 chest rest mount that you cna find a b&h but a true honest to goodness shoulder mount.

I've successfully rigged a shakey pistol grip for now but I would love to have a more permanent solution.

Chris Hurd February 27th, 2005 12:37 PM

Nick, since there is nothing radically different about the FX1 / Z1 form factor, then just about any current shoulder support can be used. For instance, the DV Rig Pro comes to mind, it should be perfect for this camera. Check it out -- plus a variety of other supports -- at http://www.varizoom.com/pages/supportindex.php. Hope this helps,

Jerry Mohn February 27th, 2005 12:57 PM

Anton Bauer Stasis with trimpac
 
I am planning using a Stasis, it provides shoulder support, battery power for the camera and UL2 light. If you add a triple tap to the light plug-in you could power 2 lectro wireless as well. The battery on the back behind your shoulders balances out the front heavy prosumer camcorders and also provides a gold mount for attaching a plate and wireless holders. I am used to using professional beta and dvc-pro cameras so I went looking for something that could make up for the ergonomic shortcomings of a prosumer camera. I am waiting till Apple perfects the HDV transfer codec before I make the leap into HDV but I have my eye on this camera. I called Anton Bauer and they said their batteries would work fine with the camera but it will not provide a battery status in the viewfinder. I have estimated I can run the camera, 25w batt light and 2 lectro wireless for 2 hours with everything on. It is expensive but it is versitile and made to last. It also folds the battery underneath the camera for a poor mans stabalizer, this is also the restingpositon. I like some weight on my tripod so you can use this fullly loaded with the Stasis as a pan arm. I don't mean to push this product but few people know about this multi-purpose setup outside of the professional realm. I have used Anton Bauer batteries and batt lights for over 10 years and I cannot imagine not having the juice and batt light not work for several hours without worry. I bought mine on ebay for less than $350, they are scarce on ebay but I have seen one up every 3 months. You can get all the info from the Anton bauer website.

Bryan McCullough February 27th, 2005 04:54 PM

I bought a DVRig Pro with my FX1 and I love it.

It's fantastic. I was shooting the other day and was fully zoomed across the room on a guy's face and was holding it as steady as if I was right next to him, it looked great.

I'm so pleased with the purchase.

David Cherniack February 28th, 2005 08:50 AM

Re: Anton Bauer Stasis with trimpac
 
<<<-- Originally posted by Jerry Mohn : I am planning using a Stasis, it provides shoulder support, battery power for the camera and UL2 light. -->>>

I've had the Stasis out with the Z1 on demo. To put it bluntly it doesn't work well with this camera's design. The viewfinder and LCD are mounted higher on this camera than on previous designs of DV camersa. One is constanly looking up at them at an uncomfortable angle when shooting level. I had high hopes for this rig but without a redesign from AB it's a no-go.

Sean M Lee February 28th, 2005 09:44 AM

we used a stasis on a DVX100A...well, we did for about a day. Man what a pain in the nuts. Bad design, the battery back there was nice, but the thing just felt very awkward.

Jerry Mohn February 28th, 2005 03:07 PM

Re: Re: Anton Bauer Stasis with trimpac
 
I've had the Stasis out with the Z1 on demo. To put it bluntly it doesn't work well with this camera's design. The viewfinder and LCD are mounted higher on this camera than on previous designs of DV camersa. One is constanly looking up at them at an uncomfortable angle when shooting level. I had high hopes for this rig but without a redesign from AB it's a no-go. -->>>

I am confused on why the shop demo'd the camera with a shoulder mount that did not work. Not a good sales job. Someone must think it works if they are trying to sell you a camera married to this rig.

I appreciate the point about the viewfinder being higher, that would be a bummer if you had to look up, throwing off your balance. I would not use the LCD on the shoulder so I assume you were using the eyepiece when you had to look up?

The Stasis worked great for me with a pd-150 and dvx100a but every person has their own flavor. I can't use the rigs attached to your waist, not even a concept with me. or that thing that suspends it with a crane thing above your shoulders. I like Derrkserra's rig the most outside of the Stasis, now if he could just get a goldmount on the back for a trimpac to power the camera and a batt light. I have to have my hands on the lens and zoom with my eye tight against the viewfinder, for me there is no other way. Thanks for sharing your experience here:)

Derek Serra February 28th, 2005 03:12 PM

Check out the shoulder mount I built for $ 50 here:

http://617pg.com/dvinfo/Camerarig.JPG

I shoot for an entire day with very little strain, as the counterbalance is a great help.

David Cherniack February 28th, 2005 04:13 PM

>>I am confused on why the shop demo'd the camera with a shoulder mount that did not work. Not a good sales job. Someone must think it works if they are trying to sell you a camera married to this rig. <<

They hadn't tried the rig with the Z1 yet, but as I was going out the door I mentioned that it would be neat to have a shoulder mount with an Anton Bauer counterbalance and he brought it out The viewfinder was just too high to use and I have a long neck.

Overall the design of the Stasis, while solid, was not as well thought out as it could have been. Derek's mount while not as flexible, would probably sit better on the shoulder..

Jerry Mohn February 28th, 2005 04:20 PM

Bummer
 
<<<-- The viewfinder was just too high to use and I have a long neck. -->>>

I have a short neck, the Stasis might end up on Ebay if Panasonic can't compete with HDV at the NAB.

Again, thanks for your response. I really appreciate it although I am a little disassembled now:(

Jonathan Lee March 3rd, 2005 12:10 PM

There is a new shoulder mount available here in the UK for the Z1 with a pistol grip but can find no reference to it anywhere else. Its not the VCT-FXA model for the FX1, but looks good and better than the alternatives.

Go to: http://www.optexint.com/hdv/index.html and click on accessories.

Lou Bruno April 2nd, 2005 08:53 AM

Re: Re: Anton Bauer Stasis with trimpac
 
I concur.....the Stasts is misaligned.

<<<-- Originally posted by David Cherniack : <<<-- Originally posted by Jerry Mohn : I am planning using a Stasis, it provides shoulder support, battery power for the camera and UL2 light. -->>>

I've had the Stasis out with the Z1 on demo. To put it bluntly it doesn't work well with this camera's design. The viewfinder and LCD are mounted higher on this camera than on previous designs of DV camersa. One is constanly looking up at them at an uncomfortable angle when shooting level. I had high hopes for this rig but without a redesign from AB it's a no-go. -->>>

Jerry Mohn April 2nd, 2005 09:04 AM

Talked to Anton Bauer
 
They were in some disbelief that the Stasis would not work with this popular camera. I doubt a solution will come before NAB. Taking a look at the new Panasonic, even though it was under a silk scarf; it looks like it will run into the same problem, a viewfinder that is too high. A shoulder support needs to drop the camera below shoulder level to work. I would not consider using the flip out LCD for shoulder work. What a bummer, I need my UL-2 light:(

Kurth Bousman April 2nd, 2005 09:46 AM

Cavision has a reasonably priced unit

Mark Woollard April 8th, 2005 11:06 AM

Has anyone actually tried the CAVISION shoulder pad/rails/handle setup?

The three Toronto-area retailers don't stock it to try it. I'd buy one if I knew it would work for me and my Z1.

Thanks

Mark Woollard April 11th, 2005 08:05 AM

I've been doing a lot of research, looking for a Z1 support device that would take the weight off my 55-year old arms and allow me to use either flip-out screen or viewfinder.

The CAVISION rails/shoulder pad/handle looked interesting on the web, but no retailer in Toronto stocks it. Given my tricky eyesight, moving from using the EVF to LCD would mean having to stop shooting and sliding the camera on the rails, not an instant move.

I tried VideoSmith's MightyWonderCam Classic Shoulder Pod (without Ab Pad--store didn't have it). It was well designed and engineered but didn't take much weight off my arm. I'm sure the Ab Pad would have helped. But more critically, I couldn't comfortably use either the EVF or LCD with this unit. To get my eye on the eyecup, I had to crane my neck uncomfortably to the right. The unit seems designed for a larger camera with L-shaped EVF. I assume Varizoom's unit (from web pics) works about the same, but apparently doesn't readily allow vertical camera height adjustment (using discreet hole rather than clamp/slider like the MightyWonderCam.

The same store (The DV Shop in Toronto) had just received a new DvJunior Rig from DVTEC http://dvtec.tv/_wsn/page4.html. I'd seen the big brother unit on the web, but wasn't interested in all the baggage. I wanted something simpler.

On first seeing the Junior, I was skeptical. It's a belt with holster concept with spring loaded telescoping pole for support. I tried it in the store. Very quickly I felt at home with it. I used it that night at a fancy dinner/reception for 300 people. The night started with one hour of walk about short impromptu interviews. The unit was amazing. No arm fatigue. I could easily switch from EVF to LCD. The telescoping pole at full extension let me get slightly above head level shots with support. I tried walking with it keeping the telescoping springs slightly bouncy to see if I could take the bounce out of my steps. Not very well, but with more practice, I think I'll be able to get a steadier walking shot that just hand-held.

You can dampen and/or lock the tilt and swivel (left to right tilt), although it's not a fluid head.

If you see the pic on DVTEC's website, there is a black and blue belt and holster shown. M y unit came with a thinner plain black belt with black and blue holster. I'd prefer a plain black holster. Would draw less attention to my groin!! Especially when I like to wear black when shooting.

The belt placed the weight of the camera on my hips where I barely noticed it.

All in all, the best support unit I could find for my purposes.

While the unit cost more than I originally was hoping to pay for camera support ($329 CAD, plus $65 CAD for a separate quick-release plate), I have no regrets.

Whatever unit you're considering, I'd highly recommend trying before buying. Web photos just don't tell you how it'll work for you.

BTW, I have no financial or other interest in promoting this product, or the store where I bought it. Just wanted to share some recent positive experience.

Mark

George Griswold February 6th, 2006 06:31 PM

I got a Frezzolini Shoulder mount-- it works like a charm. Lightweight and adaptable.
http://www.frezzi.com/stable_cam_fly...amflyernew.pdf


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