Looking at pictures of it here, it looks ALOT like the same CF recorder that the Z7 uses.

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http://www.sony.jp/products/Professi...c1k/index.html

And as I said it is the same CF module, then it will work with recorders with firewire ports. As there are users that have been using the Z7 module with Canon A1/Sony FX1, with success in both SD and HDV.

And as I said in an earlier post, a Sony rep told me that they would be releasing the Z7 Cf recorder for public use, sometime n SEP-OCT area. Which would be right in the ballpark of when the Z5 CF recorder is slated for release.

Coincidence? You decide. =)
After all Sony will sell a TON of these units if they release them. It would probably turn out to be one of their most successful accessories EVER. And we all know that Sony loves to make money. Even at the expense of their own products.

on the sony cams, will you have to plug in an extra cable? will it mount to the battery
compartment like it does on the Z7? crap. I still want a new camera :-)

Scott just by looking at it I can tell that it's the same piece. The only part of the name that has changed is the addition of the "K", which could be used only in japan anyway. Over hear it's called the MRC1.

It's two pieces the piece with the CF card slot hooks onto the back of the Z5 and Z7 and is powered by the cam. When using it on another camera you just put it on the included sled, put an L series battery on there and put it on a bracket that goes on your shoe mount (when I've used it I just used a longer cable and chucked it in a pocket) and you're off the races.

Remember the vast majority of hdv cameras are sony models so it makes no sense for them not to include the back piece and have it interface with only the Z5 and Z7, especially when the Z7 already ships with it. The back part also appears in the japanese pictures so it's all good!

If it's like the Z7 module, then it will connect onto the back of the Z5 (like the Z7 does).

And on any other camera, whether it be Sony, Canon, JVC etc, you would have to mount the module onto any other camera via firewire and mount elsewhere, like on the handle via a handle bracket, velcro, whatever.

right, the back design of the Z5 and Z1 should be the same, so there should be no
reason to have to take up the hotshoe to mount it. IF that's not the case, it might
be worth the cost of a new camera just to avoid the hassle of being tethered to a device
hanging off the camera. That's a pain.

Scott the Z5 and Z7 should have the same back.
The Z1 has a different back, where the battery compartment isn't as deep as the Z7. So the module would not be able to attach in the same manner.

See this article to show that you can indeed use this recorder with other cameras via firewire port. This was the statement that was called out.

"The memory recorder can also connect to other HDV camcorders using a standard IEEE1394 cable."

Sony launches two DV-tape hi-def camcorders News - PC Advisor

Will either of these cameras record progressive footage?

Yes, from what I've read the FX1000 will shoot progressive but record to 60i, while the Z5 will shoot and record true progressive. For both models I think it's only 24p and 30p.

Heys check this page and it clearly shows that the mrc1k can be used with other cameras so it is definetly indentical to the z7 part:

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Interlaced video is still a useful way to increase resolution with limited bandwidth, and the Canon HDV cameras aren't technically "true" progressive cameras (effectively yes, but not literally).

The list prices are a little high but no more so than the FX1 and Z1U at launch, and especially after allowing for four years of inflation. The FX1000 in particular could set a new standard for affordable low-light HD recording, which has been an ongoing concern with cameras in this price range. If the feature set and price don't meet your needs there are lots of other options to choose from, so no worries there. We'll see how "Scalett" fits into all this when it's finalized and shipping.

CF recording...ahhh...can't wait. Hate dumping tapes.

Actually they do indeed produce progressive video. Final Cut Pro and other NLE applications use their standard 1080p24 and 1080p30 capture settings for Canon Frame mode. The software can't detect any difference between Canon Frame mode and progressive scan video because there isn't any difference -- as far as the software is concerned, Canon Frame mode is progressive scan. The software doesn't fall victim to marketing hype.

The problem with implying that one particular method is "true" is to imply that other methods are "false," and that's not the case here. There is nothing false about Canon Frame mode -- it is indeed progressive scan. When two or more methods produce identical results, one method can't be more "true" than the other. "True" used to be an absolute term which these days has unfortunately been beaten down to an obscure abstraction by a lot of marketing hype. We strongly suggest not buying in to marketing hype. Look at the results instead: Canon Frame mode is progressive scan. Hope this helps,

NEW Sony back-illuminated CMOS image sensor ???
 

Does anyone know if these two cams use the "new" Sony back-illuminated CMOS image sensor Sony announced on June 11, 2008 Sony Global - Press Release - Sony develops back-illuminated CMOS image sensor, realizing high picture quality, ne

Thanks for jumping that Chris, I was about to post the same thing. If anything it sounds like the FX1000 records 24p the way the hv20/30 does, no flags.

I doubt it, I think it's the same paired down version of the EX1 sensor the Z7 uses. I think it's too soon for a back illuminated cam from when the info was released.

One think about sony's marketing is they will make sure you and everyone knows when they're shipping back illuminated cameras. They will yell it at us.

Any idea what the lux rating will be on the FX1000/Z5?

Will it be just as good as the Z7 in low light?

everybody seems to think that the new compact flash recorder is a good thing, but it is to forget that Sony offer since a long time the equivalent device with a hard disk.
the DR60 is a better value for your money , since it cost today 999$ (same price as the CF recorder) , got 60gig hardisk included (no CF card included with the other recorder).
both are accepting video from a firewire feed and are about the same size.
So except if your camera as a good fit with the CF flash recorder, the hard disk version is still a better solution.

i might be wrong, but with the DR60, all the files had to be transcoded, with the CF
recorder, they do not. Or are they both drag and drop now? Hell, it thats the case,
a couple of DR60s is all one needs

It all depends on your editing application.
If you used FCP, there was many problems (since FCP can edit m2t files) using Log and Transfer with the Sony Plugin for FCP. So when you transferred files, they all had to be transcoded.

But since ClipWrap arrived that isn't even necessary, as all yo hvae to do is drop your m2t files into ClipWrap, and they will be re-wrapped in a QT HDV wrapper. This is a huge timesaver, and negates the need to have to rely on the Sony plugin to function properly in FCP.

Now if you use other NLE's such as Premiere Pro, Vegas, Edius, Avid, it's as simple as drag and drop and edit.

I prefer the CF recorder, as I have the ability to swap out cards, and don't have to worry if my hard drive will get filled up during a long shoot. Also the CF recorder is much lighter than a hard drive recorder, plus no moving parts.

That press release talks of:
which tends to make me think that in HD terms, a 5 megapixel sensor is going to be a Bayer sensor, with approximately 3000 pixels horizontally. Makes sense, should give a good 1920x1080 final image, equating reasonably well to three 2 megapixel sensors. In that case, with 1.75um spacing, my maths would imply a sensor size of about 1/4".

I suspect that we'll initially see the technology in consumer, rather than prosumer cameras. It's almost hinted at later in that press release:
Not necessarily. With the CF recorder, you can shoot, take the CF card out (give to someone else if necessary) put another card in and start shooting again. Maybe the first card might be kept as a backup for a week or two, then formatted for reuse. I also suspect the CF recorder may have a faster boot up time than a hard disk version.

That depends on your edit platform, the utility released for the mrc1 works with the dr60. For example info fcp it just transcodes my footage to prores right away.

There that's why people weren't as excited about the dr60. I don't think anyone likes moving parts and I definetly think people don't like a capacity limitation.

CF cards are cheap, buying a few isn't bad at all and new sizes are always coming out. In half a year or whatever when 64gb cards are readily available the dr60 will have nothing on the mrc1. You can't change the hard drive, or pass it to another shooter, or to an assitant for offloading.

The mrc1 frees you from those restrictions.

Edit: Damn I didn't see Michael's reply, he basically nailed it. One exception though the sony fcp plug is crazy quick for me, I don't fell like I'm waiting.

Sony Product Detail Page - HVRMRC1

Scott it will work with the older cams I have tried it with an FX1 and a canon V30 Its the same unit thats on the Z7. From a design point and cost point they would not make two different units. The unit has two parts the unit itself and a base which has the firewire connection.

NICE! seeing you have it on an EX1, hell, I might just go for one of those
and then add this baby to it. sheesh, this business is a money pit :-)

I have the Z7 with the memory card recorder and would like to use it with another camera. What is the best way to physically attach it to another camera?

I would use the shoe mount on the Cam. I am using my dr60 hard drive shoe mount.

here is one that may work see link.

Ikan | SM101 Camera Shoe Mount | SM101 | B&H Photo Video

http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/attachmen...r-xdcamcf1.jpg
http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/attachmen...r-xdcamcf2.jpg

Guys, thanks for all the info! Scott, nice to see you here bro! One question and it may have been posted already, but how is the battery life on that with a standard battery???

Thanks! i have to have a new place to hang out when I spend money, BUT, i think
I am going EX1.

If you do remember it can only work with the ex1's SQ modes, not HQ mode, for that you need the EX1 hard drive unit.

There are more exceptions. The CF recorder+media is less expensive, if you need to be able to record more than 60GB without offloading to another device, like perhaps for a weekend camping trip for example. If you need the reliability of solid state recording, the CF recorder is a better solution, like perhaps for shooting from a moving vehicle on rough roads for example.

And Do not forget the cheaper Lexar 8gb SSD cards will work in sp mode on the EX1...
I am Thinking about purchasing the Z5 as a third cam. I am sure the price will be at least $600 or more in the US lower than Sony retail.

Here's an FX1000 article at B&H:

SONY'S HDR-FX1000 BREAKS THE MOLD | B&H Photo Video Pro Audio

Not much there that wasn't already shared.
But I did find it interesting that Sony is going to re-introduce the FX7 at $1,999.

Maybe the announcement and release of the FX1000 was the real reason that Sony took the FX7 off of the market.

All in all the FX1000 looks to be a great camera, but not enough for me to upgrade all of my FX1's to FX1000's. But possibly pickup a FX1000 to add to my FX1 lineup. Then if I like, swap out my FX1's for FX1000's. Then call it a day for purchasing cams for the next 5 years or so.

Ho, ho, ho, the FX-1000 is going to fly off the shelves this Christmas! Low-light HDV + progressive shooting modes at US$1,999! This looks like Sony's full-on "real" replacement for the venerable old VX-xxxx series! That's exciting.

Hey Michael it was a misprint on the B&H site they corrected it to $3,199. I was to excited wen I got the email from them this morning thinking $1,999 I ma buy a couple. Then they corrected it and I might still get 1. Who knows. It looks like quite a camera, I wonder when Canon will upgrade their XHA1, time will tell.

Oh rats. Well hopefully it will still come down in price, when it finally goes on sale.

Sorry I meant to say that the FX7 was being introduced at a low price of $1,999.
You are correct in saying that the FX1000 will be $3,199.

Hey Michael my post was to Michael Wisniewski you didn't say anything wrong at all. Your post is correct.

Sony HDR-FX1000 pre-order
 

It is available for pre-order at B&H starting today. $3199, very close to a XH-A1.

Sony | HDR-FX1000 Handycam HDV Camcorder | HDR-FX1000 | B&H