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Does anyone uses/or have tried any of the above with their EA50?

Supposedly the multi interface shoe allows is to work without xlr cables at all and also can take power from camera battery.

Originally I was pretty set on sennheiser set because of my experience with them, but if the Sony have good sound quality and the added bonus of nir cable compatibly while drawing power from the camera it will be a plus.

From time to time I also have to shoot with the FS700 & a7S and supposedly the multi interface shoe work with it as well.

I'm going to have to replace my wireless mics because in Australia they have sold off the wireless frequency to the phone company and by the beginning of the 2015 year it will be illegal to operate in certain frequencies.

So if anyone have any experience with them or have suggestion for wireless mic please chime in.

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The $500 Wireless Question, or, "What cheap system should I get?" - Page 8

I think the link will take you to page 8, but go there manually if not.

--an extensive test I helped a local audio pro conduct with the new Sony UWP. (he's worked for local TV plus HGTV network, etc. and is an audio forum moderator at dvxuser.com)

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Hey David

I think I will be going for the D11's next year...the W1M is a little amateurish and although convenient the audio quality isn't that good either. I would put it in the "enthusiast amateur" category. I cannot see where I would put the transmitter body on the groom. It's way too bulky.

Now I don't know that frequencies your current units have but my old Azdens go up to 801mhz and there is talk that the frequencies between 700 and 800 MHz will have a guard band at 800 MHz and those will be neat clear bands so people have been advised NOT to throw out their transmitters yet. Our tiny outputs won't be any issues in the guard band and of course you won't have any issues of phone or digital radio transmissions inside the guard band.

I will replace I reckon with the d11's but I will still keep my old units!

Chris

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I think you'll find the Sony wireless much better than the Azden. However, the Sony unit is still not as good as the very similarly priced Sennheiser G3 - see that review I linked to for details. I know the Sony works without cables for some of their camera models, but I'd have to weigh that carefully with the better performance of the G3.

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Thanks David and Chris,

I've decided to get the W1M, to use primarily to on the a7s since we use for long distance stuff and more as a reference audio recorder.

and for the actual wireless on the camera, I am borrowing the Sennheiser G3 for the next wedding I'm doing and will do a comparison with my current Sony wireless pack I have.

Cheers.

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I use the UWO-D16 with my EA 50 and I LOVE IT! the range is fantastic it hasnt hicuped yet and the sound quality is great!

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Hi Randy

I'm going for those series too at the year end. The Bluetooth one seems pretty much OK for amateur video of the kids on the lawn or a fishing trip but certainly not for pro stuff like weddings. Apart from the bulkiness of the transmitter I watched the unit being previewed and the audio quality was very hollow and pure and certainly not anywhere near the SonyUW's quality. Then again they are a fraction of the price but they will work fine for non pro audio. Still would be pretty tough to hide that big bulky transmitter on a groom at a wedding.

Maybe you can give us a mini review David when you get yours???

Chris

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Im sorry I have the UWP-D11 system. Like I said in another thread I am very pleased with it. I had one on a groom and he was 100 feet away and out of sight and I had him strong.

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I was going this route but at the last minute I decided to go with a dual receiver. I think the UWP-D16 is pretty great. I wish Sony offered a dual receiver. Anyway i decided on the http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/460224-REG/Audio_Technica_ATW_1821D_ATW_1821_Dual_Wireless.html. waiting on it to come this week.

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I don't know, maybe the UWP-D I tested was defective or something. I compared it to a G2, G3, and to the previous UWP Sony. The new Sony had the worst range of all of them - about half that of the others. The sound quality was better than the older Sony, but the range was only good to about 50 feet before dropouts - and only that if line of sight. I had the kit with the plug on transmitter - I was excited about that, because it provided full phantom power. But, it also had weak volume and poor range. I returned the kit to B&H and instead got an upgraded lav for my G2.

Now I see that B&H has the Sony for $600 and the G3 for $540 - I don't know if that's a temporary discount or not.

I'm happy for the folks that are having good success with their UWP-D. However, my recommendation is that if you get one, test it promptly during the return period to see if it is performing up to spec on audio quality and range.

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Be careful with dual receivers! I use two receivers rather than a dual one simply because single receivers have diversity circuitry built in with twin antennas and I the dual one I bought was NOT diversity as the case is not big enough for 4 antennas!!

Non diversity receivers fail miserably on range so be careful with that ...On my main cam my receivers just sit behind each other !

Chris

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(Info below is mainly relevant to people using wireless gear in Australia)

Well now I'm even more confused, after going to the wireless mic shop, they determined because I do many interstate shoots, that I would have to have 2 different wireless packs because of the bands that is available (A,B,and G) isn't consistent across the country (not even consistent across the state). They determined I will have places where I can't use it because its being used by the TV stations.

There are high end solutions which I cannot afford so not considering it as an option.

The low end solution I've heard from many videographers is to record into the iphone/ipod similarly with the smart lav, but that entails post pro synching and of course leaving the phone with the mic....which could be an issue.

How are other ppl solving this?

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On the D11 you have 42 channels so even if one or two are busy then you still have 40 left to play with ...there are two bands here allocated for us and one is nation wide so I'm not sure who gave you the information. Check out the government website for correct allocations ... Sony are producing sets for both of our allocations.

520mhz to 526 MHz is available nationally for wireless mics so if you travel a lot then you need to get gear in this spectrum ...less channels but usable thruout Australia

Chris

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To learn about the new frequencies allowed for wireless audio gear in Australia from December 2014
Start here Wireless microphones | ACMA

Also check out AWAG | Aceta

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Thanks Chris, I guess its A band for me.

although for half of my work is predominantly recommended I have B. I'll hopefully won't have a problem finding something between 520-526 in those cases, the biggest venue I ever shot did had 6 weddings happening at the same time, and assuming each one has at least 2 wireless mic going for filming plus the own venue....it might get interesting.

This is how I understand it at the moment.

There are 3 bands for us on the eastern seaboard. A, G, and B.

For the Sennheiser G3, based on their product description:
A: 516-558Mhz
G: 566-608Mhz
B: 626-668Mhz

The recommendation I'm getting at the moment is if at Gold Coast get A band, and Brisbane B band, but many other QLD&NSW locations will only have band G&B available. This is based on the post-stack, I'm sure for the first year or so, the frequency won't be fully used yet.

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Thanks Chris for the heads up. i had to go and read and check on it. Here is the feature listing description:

Features:
Dual Transmitter OperationThe 1800 series delivers dual transmitter operation with a single, compact camera mounted receiver.Dual Balanced Outputs - The receiver features dual balanced outputs that may be used to send signal independently or mixed.Frequency Agile/Auto Scanning - The 1800 series wireless systems feature up to 996 Auto-Scanning frequencies and simultaneous operation of up to 10 systems.True Diversity - Each receiver features true diversity operation for minimal drop out and radio frequency noise. Independent Receiver Shut Off - One of the dual internal receivers may be shut off in order to preserve battery life.

Hopefully I chose a good one.

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Ok, I've just tested the ECM-W1M.

as far as I can work out, W1M does NOT work with the EA50. It does say on the box its for sony handycam and dslr/mirrorless that has the multi-interface shoe.

However, for my application it is perfect for on the go recording with my a7s. the transmitter has an inbuilt mic, but it also can take a microphone input.

As far I tested, the connection worked well within a 2 storey building, at a distance of about 15m.

If using the inbuilt mic, if the subject is moving (I had him walking while talking) it picks up way too much shirt movements that renders the talking pointless. Having a mic on attached would be necessary if its a walk and talk.

It will not work if the transmitter and receiver is too close to each other (manual says be apart at least 1m).

I'm happy for it to be an additional recording that isnt a good as my sennheiser/sony wireless mic packs but still good enough that if I need to pick up something from the a7s, I can still use audio from it.

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Thanks David

Nice to know ..I have a feeling that the shoe on the EA-50 only allows a Sony flash to be attached so you can use it for stills and a TTL flash ..it obviously cannot to used for any audio input, probably because the 50 already has XLR audio?

Chris