Sony new HDV camera
 

Okay, was getting close to getting the PD170, then I see this today.

http://www.sony-europe.com/PageView....=1079021485605

Guess will have to wait for NAB to see how much it costs.

Dave

Looks rather nice. I notice it's 1080i capable, and 3CCD. It looks rather funky with, is that an LCD panel on top? Sure looks like it's going to be a fun NAB.

Graeme

Can't find anything about 3-ccd. Could you direct me to that-I am getting old, grey. senile and blind :-)


<<<-- Originally posted by Graeme Nattress : Looks rather nice. I notice it's 1080i capable, and 3CCD. It looks rather funky with, is that an LCD panel on top? Sure looks like it's going to be a fun NAB.

Graeme -->>>

Hanover, 17 March 2004 – Sony will demonstrate its prototype HDV format camcorder with a 1080i specification at the Sony booth at CeBIT 2004, providing a glimpse of a world of high-definition video technology. The demonstration will herald the fact that Sony plans to introduce a new camcorder, display and video editing equipment based on the brand-new HDV format. When the technology becomes more widely available on the market it will be possible to enjoy shooting and editing high definition video with all the benefits of this new format, most notably its very high picture quality. The establishment of the HDV format was jointly announced by Sony, Canon, Sharp and Victor Company of Japan (JVC) in September 2003. HDV is also supported by seven other leading technology companies at present, including companies producing non-linear editing software.






HDV is a new HD VCR recording standard which uses MPEG-2 compression, and is based on DV tape, the major consumer digital video format. The HDV format can record and play back at a higher picture quality on the same DV cassette using the same tape speed and track pitch as DV. As the compact sized and affordable DV tape format is widely distributed, the new HDV camcorder will have a ready supply of recordable media available when it ships.


The first HD digital terrestrial broadcasts started in Japan in December last year and the opportunity to experience these high quality pictures is expected to expand across the world. Sony is a pioneer in the field of HD recording with its launch of the “Blu-ray Disc Recorder”, the world’s first high-capacity Blu-ray Disc based recorder, which has the ability to record high-definition TV programmes. Simultaneously this expansion in the recording and playback of HD broadcasting will drive the need to shoot video in HD high picture quality. Sony is therefore developing a HDV camcorder to meet the demand. In parallel, Sony sees a non-linear editing HD technology for VAIO PCs as one of the solutions to address such growing demand. When these products are introduced onto the market, consumers can not only watch HD video but also shoot, edit and create it. Sony is offering several HD compatible flat screen televisions incorporating WEGA Engine™. Now with the demonstration of its prototype HDV camcorder at this year’s CeBIT, Sony will enter the HDV world and will bring life to a vision of what is to come in the future of home video entertainment.

It says "3CCD" in on the camcorder itself, on the high res picture provided.

Graeme

But check out the focus ring in that pic!

The operative sentence in their announcement is:

"When the technology becomes more widely available on the market "

Mike, are you saying Sony will not introduce at NAB?

Dave

That's the way I read it. I have no insight though nor insider information. That means I could be wrong.

If it were going to be ready for NAB in one month, why not ceBit? Announce does not mean available, just announced.

They announced the 2100/170 in Europe first.

At flubbing last.

Finally.

It has been a weary journey.

They blacked out all of the pictures of this "ghost" camera.

I can wait a year, myself.

Hmmm, Do you think XLRs are on the right since the tape loads on the left? That would be awesome!

Who cares about 24P when coming to HD? That is not even an HD standard!

I remember reading something about this cam and they described it as looking like an HDV version of the PD170. Then I looked at the mic and it sorta looks like a VX2100 mic. I think this cam maybe the HDV version of the VX2100. There is probably gonna be a DVcam version with more audio controls, too.

Folks, it's probably time to move back to the subject or, if you wish, I can split the thread and move this part to another forum.

I'm the guilty party for it moving off-center.

Does HDV not require bigger CCD's ??? For instance to get the same good low light performance of the PD170p do they have to increase the size from 1/3" to 1/2" ????? What do you think?

The characteristics of the detectors, assuming they are CCDs in both cases, won't change. It is a pure math game . . . So many square units of pixel area vs the number of photons striking it. Each photon discharges the pixel area a little bit. That relationship's inherent in the Silicon from which CCDs are made.

You can pry the top off a memory chip and it will become a 2D light sensor, the CMOS sensor.

So yes, I expect that the HD cameras won't be as sensitive unless they up the size of the CCD.

> So yes, I expect that the HD cameras won't be as
> sensitive unless they up the size of the CCD.

I agree. You should expect though smilar low light performance as you currently get from cameras that downsample the CCD image to DV resolution, though. Example: and 'HD' PDX10 could use the same CCD array it uses now since it already has a higher pixel count than it requires for SD. This is probably the case with most video cameras that do 'megapixel' photos, some probably have the ammount of pixels requiered for HD and perhaps even more.

I guess the solution will be to add faster lenses to the cameras. Since with the higher resolution of the format lens quality will be more critical than with SD video, we can probably expect optics to become the most expensive part of HDV cameras.

LUX
 

And the JVC HD Camera, while on 1 CCD has an awful 36 LUX rating, so obviously it isn't as light sensative as the equivelent DV camera.

I suspect there is a very good chance that this camera will not be very light sensitive. Probably the equivalent of the pdx10.

> I suspect there is a very good chance that this camera
> will not be very light sensitive. Probably
> the equivalent of the pdx10.

Hopefully, it will have 1/30 progressive scan, so even if it has the same sensitivity of the PDX10 you will get better low light perfomance without resolution loss. You can do this on the PDX10 but because the CCD array is interlaced, you get line doubling when going below 1/60.

Also, it might have the same CCD array and still yield better low light images if it has a faster lens. Since it will cost more than twice as much as the PDX10, I will be expecting that.

I ust hope Sony will use 1/2" CCD image chips :-))))
I also understand that the current NLE edditing software like Pinnacle liquid blue, Adobe premiere collection, AVID xtreme etc. is not suitable for HDV !!! After one year of making my mind up wwhich cam and NLE software I want to buy (PD170p and adobe premiere) I have to start all over again.

Why would someone buy a $5,000.00 camera without XLR connections?

If no XLRs, at least a balanced XLR connection similar to the new DVC30 from Panasonic with an external XLR box as an accessory.

I've now split this thread into 3 pieces.

Keep your postings on this part that remains in the Sony Forum to comments directly on the prototype camera.

If you wish to post on the editing aspects, go to the HDV Editing forum.

If you wish to post on the business aspects, please go to

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