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Originally Posted by Wolfgang Winne (Post 1540578)

It's only one PP! The version 1.03 is current.

FL Light has the best color vectorangel on the vectorscop for my EX1R. Here a picture of 3 PP:

top without PP, my -3dB PP v1.03,

then this PP:

Matrix: On
Select: Cinema
Level: +35
CC: off
Detail: on
Level: -8
Frequency: +30
Crispening: +20
Gamma: +-0
Select: CINE1
Black: -4

Wolf, is this the entire profile?
Do EX1R profiles work on an EX1?

Some initial impressions of Wolfgang's v1.03 PP...

Very nice rich blacks with a bump in the highlights. The shadow detail in the blacks is more visible than some of the other PPs around, such as the RC and TC PPs, as well as the CINE V "Panny" profile. With some quick tests I noticed the darker Blue-Greens were richer but overall a neutral profile from a colour perspective. If I were to characterize it in comparison to another profile probably the best reference would be the lush CINE V profile that emulates the rich and deep Panisonic look that you get on their cameras but without the hyped up greens and yellows that are so typical of Panasonic's colour palette. As mentioned Wolfgang's 1.03 PP has more shadow detail but rich blacks. I'd say this is a huge plus for this profile.

These comments are just impressions based on half an hour of taking shots both inside under tungsten lighting conditions and outside with overcast skies.

The major colour "yanking" (adjustment) has me a bit concerned and I did notice some major twitter happening in the midrange but only visible on the historgram built into the EX3 I am using.

So far I really like this profile and think it has use both indoors and in daylight situations.

<Some initial impressions of Wolfgang's v1.03 PP...>

Testpicture?

In the next time comes the new S-LOG PP and the wonderfull black/white Profil in the design from "Casablanca" Bluray.

Hello Wolfgang and Andrew,
Yes, I did try Wolf's PP1.03 today too and its good just as you said Andrew. I am not a DOP and I really appreciate what Wolfgang has done. We all would benefit from his talent, time, effort and of course the equipment he uses.

Thank you
Luben

<please try the settings below and tell me what you think please.>

O.K. i show your PP in my vectorscop with colorchart.....

I have been on this forum for quite a while and have recently purchased the PMW-EX3 after the advice I have been reading on this forum area.

I would just like to thank you all for the work you are doing on profiles which I find very useful.
Many thanks

Gary

Luben's Film Curve (My EX1R with vectorscop and DSC-Laboratories colorchart.

Hi Wolfgang,

I appreciate your effort to get the best color and latitude possible, but....

- have you also considered the detail vs. noise factors?

<- have you also considered the detail vs. noise factors?>

Yes, calibrate on ISO 12233 Test Chart.

Well, what I mean is your settings for Frequency and Crispening (also, Black/White Limiter).

Quite opposite to what has been long established as optimizing detail vs. noise, don't you think?

If you have investigated this thoroughly, I'd appreciate a more detailed explanation.

Thanks

Piotr

Crisping:
+ value = no details, no noise
- Value = more details, more noise

frequency:
+ value = no details
- value = more details

adjusted optical from my sony flat screen.

Thank you Wolfgang!,
That's a pretty good looking chart, isn't?....;-) I am sure that could get better in the v-scope.
Danke Wolf!
Luben

<I am sure that could get better in the v-scope. >

Cine1 - cine4 not good for neutrally colors!

Hi there,
Attached below is my attempt at a side-by-side comparison of a number of different picture profiles, copied and pasted from contributors to this thread.

I've owned an EX-1 practically since they came out in 2008, and — this is a personal confession — I've never bothered with picture profiles, mostly because I had so much else to learn. Today I decided to see if there were any posts on the subject, and I've spent the last few hours immersed in this thread. Way too much information for me to remember, particularly as most of it's Greek to me in the first place, so I decided my only hope would be to create a chart that listed different picture profiles, side-by-side. Then perhaps I'd be able to stand back from it and make some sense of it.

For better or for worse — and with apologies to both the picture-profile authors whose settings I might have gotten wrong (sometimes I'd get them from a poster who was repeating them), and to those whose picture profiles I've inadvertently left out — attached below is the beginning of a chart that people might find useful.
I do understand, after reading through those 38 pages, that settings sometimes come down to personal preference: some people like certain colours or 'looks' whatever better than others, and some people would rather correct in post.

But what I'd really like to do (because I edit my own stuff, and don't want to have to correct in editing if I can help it) is get a few really nice picture profiles that will work for daytime outside, night-time outside, inside incandescent and inside fluorescent. Or... if there is one really good one, a pp that will be a really good general pp.

I'll attempt to attach this. And if in fact any of you think this might be useful, I hope you'll correct it (some pp's may be out of date; remember, this thread started in 2008) or add to it. And thanks to all of you who contributed these picture profiles over the years.
Regards, Malcolm