ready to buy EX1 + extras - - please advise me
 

Hi there,
Even though I'm still waiting for Avid to update Xpress Pro, so I can actually edit what I hope to be shooting with the EX soon (I hear that's coming soon)
I think it's finally time for me to outfit myself. Very briefly, so you have a context for this: I'm a long-time tv producer/director (also learned to edit), let go after twenty years when the show I worked for was cancelled (can't complain - 20 years was a long run). For the last five months I've been shooting (renting a Sony Z1U) and editing videos for various AID organizations. Am I a great shooter? No. I'm really weak re the technical stuff/settings, but I've watched so many good cameramen over the years, I know what works for me, and (speaking as my own editor now) I seem to get what I need; I think visually, and I also move the camera quite nicely (I do a lot of hand-held). I have no real aspirations to shoot hour-long docs for Discovery, or put together the next great indie flick. I want to keep doing the smaller-scale things I'm doing now, as a one-man-band. Shoot, edit, produce.
On a forum frequented by so many first-rate camera operators, I wouldn't blame any of you for wondering why I feel I need as good a camera as the EX1. Really, it's because I want to get something that's going to last me years; I want to be able to shoot in lower light levels (less lighting needed), and I'm tired of tape, to boot.
So there it is: I have some money to set myself up with gear now, and might never have this opportunity again... so I want to do it right.
Hence my plea for help and advice.
Here's my wish-list:

- Sony EX-1 camera
- extra (large capacity) battery
- Monfrotto 503HDV Fluid Head + Monfrotto 525MVB tripod legs
- Rode Microphone NTG-2 (shotgun)
- Sennheiser EW100 ENG Combo (wireless mics)
- Porta-Brace camera case
- Lowel Rifa lighting kit
- 16GB SXS card
OR
- Sony HVR-DR60 hard disk recorder
- ”Mastering the Sony PMW-EX1” training DVD
- raincover for EX?
- polarizer?

I'd really appreciate anyone's advice re any gear I should add to the list, or take off the list, and/or whether I should change one model or manufacturer for another.
Regards,
Malcolm

I'm a bit confused by the "OR", but everything above it looks good.

I don't think the HVR-DR60 is a particularly good choice as you can only use it to capture from the i.Link (Firewire) at SP (non-square pixels) and not HQ. I.m.h.o. you're better off putting that towards a notebook for in the field offloading (maybe even some editing).

As for the raincover and traing DVD, those may come in handy but it is really up to your preference.

I consider a polarizer a standard part of kit. You never know when you have to take care of some glare...

George/

Thank you George... the ”OR“ was just meant to indicate that I'd get either the 16GB SXS card, or the hard disk recorder. I think you're right... use the card(s), and download in the field.
What's the best polarizer, would you say?
I appreciate your help... I'll be patient and hope that other people weigh in on things too. (I particularly want to make sure I get really good mics; once hard lesson I've learned in the last few months is that I have to give sound as much attention as pictures)
Cheers,
Malcolm

You might want to looks at some other tripods/heads. Cartoni, Miller, etc. A bit more money, but worth it, in my opinion.

thanks Eric. Can you suggest one that would work really well with the EX?
Malcolm

Hello Malcom

Good call on the gear.

If possible I'd hunt around the forums for the items you want first (for instance, I'm selling a copy of the EX1 DVD for best offer at the moment) and you could probably do well in the tripod and lighting areas as well.

For the Sony gear no doubt I'd go new.

Your audio setup looks okay, one on-camera short shot and one wireless lav is the way most people do it. I'd save a little money on the items I've mentioned above and get a couple of Sony MDR 7506 headphones and also a short mic boom, zeppelin and furball for the Rode.

I know the entire video industry uses Porta Braces but look into Petrol or Lowe Pro as well. For these I'd even look in craigslist or eBay for bargains - besides, you won't really want your equipment bags to look brand shiny new on location...

Apparently the EX1 raincover that's out now still needs a little work (see elsewhere on this forum) so unless you're going into rain from day 1 I'd hang back on that a little.

A circular polarizer is always nice to have. The regular (cheaper) polarizer screws with our exposure meter as you turn it (which is why they invented the circular polarizer). I'd spend money and go with a more reputable brand here, like Tiffen. Also a Tiffen UVa filter to protect your (expensive) camera lens in adverse shooting conditions. I'd check out the UVa lens on the camera before you leave the store because some of them won't allow the lens hood to be remounted on top of them -- they're a tad too thick.

Personally I'd save my money on the HDD recorder and either get a late version MacBook Pro or the equivalent in PC, and then go as many smaller cards as I could. Even the 2x8GB cards that come with the camera will give you 25 minutes apiece, around the same as 20 minute tapes.

I'd get an extra one or two 8GB SxSs and some means of downloading the cards and archiving - you'll need at least two copies of your media before you wipe your cards or your DR-60 drive anyway, so give some thought to data backups and archiving.

With 4x8GB cards you'd have up to 100 minutes of shooting time before you need to break for a reload.

Why not 4x16GB? Present price, probably. They'll come down eventually. Plus I'm kinda old fashioned, I don't like too much data on one drive.

Mainly though it forces me to tend to the camera at least twice an hour. Which is the minimum, IMHO that you need to tend to it. Mainly to check that the lens and filters are clean and the battery's still good. These new HD cameras show dirt like nobody's business.

I've been shooting since 1975 too, BTW, and editing.

For me the hardest decision is what to do about Blu Ray authoring...

HTH
YM2C, YMMV
Cheers
Chris

in the same boat
 

Hello Malcolm,
I too wanted a camera that would last be for year to come( I'm 57), which is one of the reasons that I selected the EX1. I have owned a Z1U ever since its' release and while it is a fine camera, it can't even begin to compare to the EX1 in picture quality. I have never been so excited about a camera since I purchased my XL1 in 1998. With the EX1 you can shoot for networks and make an indie! It is amazing.
I agree about the recorder...you really don't need it. I purchased a dell Vostro 1500 with dual layer DVD drive and 7200 rpm hard drive with 2 GB of memory, higher quality screen, larger battery and it has an express card slot for around $750. It works great!.
Also, BluRay discs are here an those are an affordable way to back up and convey footage.
I would suggest the larger battery for the EX1 as well. It is a battery hog.
Now the bad news:

The EX1 is not the easiest camera to hand hold so I would suggest shopping for a support system that you feel comfortable with. I am an industrial designer so I build my own.
I'm sure you could save some money on the Porta Brace case with somthing like this:

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produc...e_X_Large.html
I use this with my EX1 and am very happy.

I would not suggest the Sony WA adapter lens because it doesn't have a removable sunshade precluding it from working with a matte box. I purchased one and do use it but will purchase the century product down the road.
The new WA .6 adapter from century I beklieve will be a better choice.
The circular polarizer is a good choice but be sure to purchase a "slim" type perhaps from B+W
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produc..._Circular.html

A matte box is a good solution as well for square and rectagular filters and I hope to have a new, affordable one just released posted on a web page next month.

I hope that this helps and feel free to contact me with any other questions.
Best, Craig
keystv@aol.com

in the same boat
 

Good luck with your selections.

Chris, this is great. A few questions, if you don't mind. First, where would you recommend I look for a used tripod and lighting case (do you mean Craigs list? I just did a search for Cartoni tripods in all the big Canadian cities, and nothing comes up; maybe I have to look in NY or LA?).
Would a boom do me any good, when I work alone? What's a zeppelin? Furball, yes. I've added it to the list. And taken the raincover off the list (thank you). I've also added the two Tiffens to the list.
I have a MacBook Pro, so I'll take the HDD hard disk recorder off the list.
So should I take two portable fw drives into the field, to make two copies of my footage before wiping the cards? I hadn't thought of that, but it makes good sense. I guess both hard drives should be powered via firewire, so I don't need access to AC?
Do you want to contact me off-list re my buying your DVD? If so, I'll send you my email address.
Thanks so much for this!
Malcolm

Sachtler FSB6 or for a bit more money DV6 for tripod.

O.K., thanks for the tips everyone. I really do appreciate this.
I'm now investigating other (better) tripod options (I've just asked someone on another forum about a used DV6, but I have now idea how much he'll want for it); I've dropped the idea of a Hard Disk Drive recorder; I'll check out other carrying cases, but Craig, I shoot mostly locally these days and don't think I need a big hard case like that.
I have to admit I hadn't even thought of a matte box. I once worked with a cameraman who used one, and it took a lot of fiddling. Are they expensive? (you mention a ”new affordable one just released“... is it one that you built?)
If they are expensive, could I not get by with a few screw-on filters? How does the Kaeseman Circular Polarizer that you recommended, Craig, compare to the Tiffen polarizing filter or the 77mm MRC Circular filter? Are all three of them slim?
Good advice, I'm sure, about a support system. Even using a Z1U for hours at a time (handheld) can really hurt, and from what I gather, the EX will be harder. I've been following a thread about some of these support systems here on this forum, so I'll keep checking it.
I'll hold off on a wide-angle lens until Century releases their new one (I may not have any money left by then, but who knows)... from what I gather the EX gets a wider shot than the Z1U, so I should be happy for a while.
Thanks again for helping me,
Malcolm

I really would try and work through the 3 hour "Mastering the PMW-EX1" DVD before rushing into any backup solutions. There is a very good case made on the DVD as to why Blu-Ray discs or forms of backup other than cheap external hard disk drives are not the best solution for archiving and the author makes a compelling argument for added resilience and a much cheaper cost per GB using external hard drives.

I bought the Miller DS20 tripod (on the recommendation of my supplier and Phil Bloom). I'm VERY happy with it although if you're in very windy situations you MIGHT want something heavier (personally the lighter the better as far as I'm concerned and I've had no problems with the Miller DS20.

Think about recording times (ie battery life, card capacity) and especially about the fact that the charger/power unit for the camera can EITHER be used to charge a battery OR used to power the camera but not both at the same time so you might want to buy a second one.

Good luck and I hope you enjoy your new camera and accessories as much as I'm enjoying mine.

Very interesting, Ian. Working backwards through some of your points... did you get two batteries, then, AND to chargers? I can see the logic.
I've just googled Miller DS-20... it's $1,599 at B&H. Is that the one you mean?
Re Blu-Ray... just so I'm clear, are you saying that Blu-Ray will have ”added resilience and a much cheaper cost per GB” over external fw hard drives, for archiving?
Thanks so much,
Malcolm

Hi Craig,
I'd like to buy the DVD. I've sent an email to your aol.com address.
Cheers,
Malcolm

What is wrong with the Manfrotto 503HDV Fluid Head + Manfrotto 525MVB tripod legs. I just bought this setup and find it to be excellent for the $$$
Granted some of the other heads feel a little smoother but I did not notice a huge difference at least not 1000-2000 worth for just the head. I am not a cheapo at all, I am looking at a Steadycam rig. I was told this combination was a great setup and reviews say the same. Maybe I will over time notice issues? Can someone list the pros and cons of this setup, My EX1 is on order but I am using this setup with a Z1 and it has been great but then again I have only had this setup a couple of months. Not trying to highjack the thread as I think this is relevent to Malcolms gear question. No one has given a reason that this setup is bad. I am wondering if there is something I do not know about Manfrotto?? As several people have also said don't buy this setup but please details why?

It's not that it's bad, but I think a really nice pro head is something that one appreciates in the long run, and is worth the extra one-time hit on your wallet.

But there are many opinions on this. And others' are just as valid as mine.

Lots of info here:

http://dvinfo.net/conf/forumdisplay.php?f=118

Hi guys................
 

Well, just couldn't help myself, gotta dive into this one.................


Support! Everyone needs it, nobody wants to pay for it.

I could go into raptures here about "cross your heart bra's" and "jock straps" but will hold myself in check.

Putting an EX1 on a Manfrotto 503 HDV and 525 sticks is tantamount to heresy, quite frankly (IMHO).

The sticks are in no way rigid enough, the head no way smooth enough to do justice to a full HD camera system.

Is there anything wrong with either of these pieces of kit?

Absolutely not, they are designed, manufactured and sold at a price point to appeal to the "average shooter" (whatever that is, but probably using SD).

And they sell in their thousands.

If you are embarking on a HD career, this is NOT where to start.

In very short order you will find yourself cursing your stupidity in buying a support system that so undermines the camera system you are using.

I've banged on about this in other posts to such an extent I hesitate to do so again here, but, if you are serious about your endeavour to make a go of this, do NOT start with that type of support gear.

I suggest, with a heavy heart, 'cos I know the huge sigh it will elicit from some here, you up your "support" game by at least $2000, more if you can stretch to it.

The bottom line is this: If HD carries 5 times the info of SD (I'm not even going there!) then the support system needs to be 5 times better to keep pace.

I've been there, I've done it and had my nose rubbed in it big time. A cheap support system with HD is seriously bad news.

Give it some thought.


CS

Sorry for the confusion. I got two batteries (the UBP-30 that came with the camera and an extra UBP-60 one). Next week the camera's getting its first real work out as I'm shooting at a conference in Vegas. Suddenly I'm looking at the batteries and realising I need more (ordered a second UBP-60 yesterday). If I had the cash I'd buy a second power lead: that way I can carry one with the camera for shooting sessions where I've got access to a power outlet while I leave the other one charging a defunct battery ready to pick up when there's a break. It all boils down to what you're shooting/where you're shooting and how long you're shooting for of course as to what you need to get. (For the record I have 2 8GB cards and 2 16GB cards and a Dell laptop with 70GB free disk space for "temporary" transfers while shooting).

That sounds like the right Miller (hard to compare UK and US prices but it sounds about right). If you want to see a photo of the tripod in action check out Phillip Bloom's blog but be aware that once you've wandered over there the rest of the day might be a write-off (he has lots of good information and stunning PMW-EX1 videos to look at) http://www.philipbloom.co.uk

No I'm saying Blu-Ray is the archive mechanism most of us latch onto just because we're talking High Def shooting, but when you analyse the costs it's much cheaper to buy two external hard drives and back up to those and just stack em up as required. I say two because that way you have an emergency backup if one fails. The vortexmedia.com DVD I mentioned has all the details of just how great the savings are and goes through the whole workflow of shooting, archiving, using Clip Browser and then an NLE. In 3 hours you'll learn stuff that would otherwise take days of reading through a ton of forums to pick up and which could otherwise trip you up because the camera manual is very dry/technical rather than teaching you the practicalities you need to do to get the footage you want.

Ian,how much battery power do you need,with the 30 and 60 battery i can film continuosly for over 5 hours,i know because i did it a couple of weekends ago.
Something else,charging times,the 30 battery charges quicker than the 60 battery runs out,so use the 30 first,then put it on charge when you're using the 60,as soon as the 60 is empty then your 30 is ready again,this should be good for around 8 hours.
Paul.